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Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2016 01:57 pm
@Baldimo,
No, that is nonsense on your part. Look at McGentrix's post. He just told you what workforce participation rate actually is-it all comes from there.
A lot of conservatives are in the same boat as you-you've been using workforce participation rate as being the same as the number of people working-and it is not. It never has been. But that does not stop the conservative noise machine from acting like it is, and for the conservatives generally to incorrectly think it is.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2016 02:35 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

It's only of "small importance" because liberals don't accept the fact that less people are working now then when Obama came into office. In fact it is a more important # then you want to admit. Less people working now than there was 8 years ago is no small thing.


The population has grown since Obama took office.

More people are working since Obama took office. (Your statement as written is false.)
More people are not working since Obama took office. (This does not equate to fewer people are working.)

That is all a result of population growth.

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ee/2016/cps/tablea1_201607.pdf

In 2008 there were about 145,000,000 people employed. In July of 2016 there were 151,000,000 people employed. More people are working now than in 2008.

In 2009 there were 95,000,000 unemployed or not in the labor force.
In 2016 there are 102,000,000 unemployed or not in the labor force.

Of course we have to remember that much of the change in labor force is caused by boomers reaching 65.
In 2010 there were 40.318 million over 65
By 2015 there were 47.891 million over 65.
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045215/00

The 7.5 million more people over the age of 65 (in 5 years) more than makes up for the 7 million more that are no longer in the labor force. (over 7.5 years.)
maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2016 02:43 pm
@parados,
Numbers are hard
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2016 02:46 pm
@parados,
The economy in our area, Silicon Valley, is doing very well. The only problem we have is the cost of living here. Young engineers who start at over $100,000/year can't even afford to buy homes here. Since demand is much greater than supply, prices keep climbing.
There's an article in yesterday's newspaper about a high school student who lives in Turlock who commutes to school in San Jose. She gets up a 4am, takes the train into San Jose, and her grandmother picks her up at the train station to take her to school. I know many commute from Turlock to work in Silicon Valley.
School teachers are also in high demand here, and many school districts needs to subsidize their housing. Our neighbor to the north, Palo Alto, is so expensive, small homes costs $2 million to start. \

http://ww2.kqed.org/news/2015/03/28/long-commute-to-silicon-valley-increasingly-the-norm-for-many/
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 12:37 pm
Robert Reich
19 mins ·
Twenty years ago, Bill Clinton ended "welfare as we know it" by accepting a Republican plan to ditch the old Aid for Families with Dependent Children and replace it with temporary assistance to needy families (TANF) -- providing a maximum of 5 years of assistance during a lifetime, along with work requirements. I was among those who strongly advised Clinton not to accept the Republican plan. I predicted (and I was hardly alone) it would result in a sharp rise in the number of families with children in poverty.
Well, now we know. As the chart below shows, since TANF was enacted in 1996, the number of families receiving welfare assistance has plummeted, while the number of families with children in poverty has soared. (The chart goes from 1976 to 2016.)
I'm not saying the old welfare program was great. It wasn't. But replacing it with temporary assistance has subjected millions of parents and children to terrible poverty and homelessness.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 12:59 pm
@edgarblythe,
What do you think a Trump presidency would do to those millions of parents and children in terrible poverty and homelessness?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:11 pm
@maporsche,
I am not voting for Trump.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:12 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
I am not voting for Trump.


I didn't ask if you were. I thought my question was pretty clear. Maybe not.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:14 pm
@maporsche,
If there is no help for them now, I doubt Trump or Clinton either one will be much help.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:15 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
If there is no help for them now, I doubt Trump or Clinton either one will be much help.


Still not what I asked, but moving on.

Would one of them (Clinton or Trump) be much worse than the other (for the millions of people and children living in poverty and homelessness)?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:16 pm
@edgarblythe,
Álways a new way to not answer questions eh.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:28 pm
@maporsche,
That is going to depend on who controls congress. Of course this is based on if Trump wins, but a GOP controlled congress and Trump might enact some reforms the left won't like, and the Dems will do everything in their power to stop it. If it is a Dem controlled Congress then it will likely be more of the same. The Dems will enact reforms the GOP won't like and stop it from getting to Trump who may or may not sign. Now if Trump decides to run things like Obama did and just bypass Congress all together and sign EA's and EO's then who knows what will happen.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:47 pm
Don't know why you all care what I think of Trump. If he did get elected I think he would be impeached and resign before the trial.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:53 pm
I got a song for you
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 01:58 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Don't know why you all care what I think of Trump. If he did get elected I think he would be impeached and resign before the trial.


You don't know? You vocally supported Bernie and opposed the preordained Democrat nominee Hillary Clinton. You may as well wear a "Make America Great Again" hat now. You are now privileged to have every post thumbed down between 7 and 10 times, have everything you say sneered at by those better than you and have between 2 and 6 other posters come at you on every thing political you say from now on.

Welcome to the club.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 02:12 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:
Don't know why you all care what I think of Trump. If he did get elected I think he would be impeached and resign before the trial.


I don't [really] care what you think about Trump...I already think I know the answer. I'm asking so that others who read all this anti-Clinton stuff ... all the time ... also question what the other guy would do if he won.

You know there are only two candidates who have a shot at winning in November. Just because you've chosen to vote for neither does not change that. Others who read should consider what the other guy would do.

Also, I'm still hoping that you'll come around to voting for Hillary (even without supporting her) based on the fact that Trump would be worse (in your eyes, and in mine).
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 02:13 pm
@McGentrix,
I didn't "come at [him]". I asked a question. It's a two horse race and I he already posted (well, the copy/paste) his view on Clinton. I was actually curious if he think Trump would be better or worse.

I mean, it was just a question. Quite a simple one.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 02:16 pm
@maporsche,
It's only a 2 horse race because if enough people were to find out about Gary Johnson, Hillary and Trump would lose.
maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 02:35 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

It's only a 2 horse race because if enough people were to find out about Gary Johnson, Hillary and Trump would lose.


It's not like Gary Johnson isn't without his problems.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/why-you-shouldnt-vote-for-libertarian-nominee-gary-johnson-w435712
Quote:
If you lean liberal and...

...you believe college should be tuition-free:
Johnson disagrees. "I would not believe that colleges or universities should be free," he told ProCon.org in June. "They would be too expensive from a federal standpoint. If states want to do that of course, that's their prerogative. But should they be free? No, they shouldn't be free."

…you're against big money in politics, and specifically Citizens United:
Johnson says corporations should give as much money as they want, as often as they choose, to whomever they please. "I think it [Citizens United] comes under the First Amendment, that they should be able to contribute as much money as they want," he told The New American in 2012. (He reiterated that sentiment this year.)

...you're against fracking:
While Johnson admits fracking is an incredibly inefficient and environmentally destructive form of energy extraction, he thinks we ought to be doing more of it. "I have spoken to my former environmental secretary," he tells ProCon.org, "and what he says regarding fracking is that it's only 10% effective, that there are environmental concerns, and that he believes that more research needs to be done on fracking. Number one, it could become much more effective, meaning it could have a much higher yield. So it sounds very pragmatic to me, but that would be where I'm at."

...you're against the TPP:
Johnson doesn't really know the specifics of the trade deal, but he supports it nonetheless. "My understanding is that it is more free trade than not. Is it a perfect document? Based upon what I understand it is not, but I could not tell you what the specifics are for why that's not the case other than that it's better than nothing given the current state of trade. So I would be in support of TPP." (All three of his rivals – Clinton, Trump and Jill Stein – are against the deal.)

...you're against the Keystone XL pipeline:
Speaking of details, when Johnson last publicly discussed the Keystone XL, in 2012, he also didn't have a firm grasp on those pertaining to the pipeline – a project later spiked by the Obama administration, and which Trump has vowed to revive. Nevertheless, he said he would support it. "I completely support the Keystone Pipeline if it's not an issue of the government implementing eminent domain to procure right of ways… I really don't understand where the regulatory hurdles are... I would certainly remove the regulatory hurdles," he said.

...you think the minimum wage is too low:
Johnson thinks this is a "non-issue" – because, as the Libertarian nominee has wrongly claimed, hardly anyone works for minimum wage. Here's how he put it on HuffPost Live earlier this year: "Minimum wage, look, I think [everyone is] missing the boat. Why doesn't he raise it to $75 an hour? Well, of course he can't raise it to $75 an hour because then prices would go way up and nobody would be able to afford to hire anybody. 'Oh, I see $75 is too high but $10.10 is just the right number?' How do you arrive at that? Why not let the marketplace arrive at that? And I just think it's much to do – minimum wage is much to do about nothing. I mean, nobody works for minimum wage [anyway]... [Just] showing up on time and wearing clean clothes gets you way above the minimum wage."

...you support paid medical and family leave:
"I would be opposed to that," Johnson told ProCon.org earlier this year.

...you think we should have any reasonable restrictions on the purchase and ownership of guns:
"I don't believe there should be any restrictions when it comes to firearms. None," he said to Slate in 2011.

...you think the Affordable Care Act serves an important purpose, and you'd like to see it preserved:
In 2011, Johnson swore he would repeal Obamacare. "I would do everything I could to repeal President Obama's health care plan. I think that very simply we can't afford it," Johnson said. "The long-term solution to health care is a free market approach to health care. And by the way, health care in this country is about as far removed from free market as it possibly could be."

If you lean conservative and…

…you're pro-life:
Johnson isn't. As he told the Daily Caller in 2012, "I leave abortion to the woman. I just fundamentally end there. I absolutely support a woman's right to choose."

...you're worried about ballooning government debt:
Johnson says he's a fiscal conservative, but, as the National Review points out, when he was elected governor of New Mexico, "Johnson inherited a debt of $1.8 billion and left a debt of $4.6 billion."

...you think the United States has an immigration problem:
Johnson disagrees, as he told the Texas Tribune earlier this year. "I think we should make it as easy as possible for somebody who wants to come into this country and work to get a work visa. I'm not talking about a green card. The solution is to create a moving line. Don't put the government in charge of quotas. There will either be jobs or there won't be jobs," he said. "Yes, there should be a pathway to citizenship, and there should be an embrace of immigration as something really good. They're not taking jobs that U.S. citizens want."

...you're concerned about resettling Syrian refugees in the United States:
"We need to take our share," Johnson told Reason late last year. But, again, he was vague on specifics. "I'm not sure what that share should be. I'd like to come up with a formula based on our coalition partners. I wouldn't say zero, but I don't know if 65,000 puts us in the category of 'our fair share.'"

...you don't believe Planned Parenthood should be eligible for federal funding:
Johnson does, as he explained to Larry King earlier this year. "Look, [Republicans] want to spend more money on military but they want to cut it from social programs, from health care. Look, it's got to be a balanced approach when it comes to government spending with regard to everything. Am I opposed, I'm opposed to cutting the funding, or eliminating funding, to Planned Parenthood. Look, but Planned Parenthood has to take cuts just along with everybody else or we're going to find ourselves in a really perilous situation."

...you worry that legalizing marijuana could cause a slippery slope:
It should surprise no one that Johnson, who stepped away from his role as CEO of Cannabis Sativa Inc. before launching his bid for president last year, is in favor of full legalization. "On the recreational side, I have always maintained that legalizing marijuana will lead to overall less substance abuse because it's so much safer than everything else that's out there starting with alcohol," he told CNN recently.

…and you certainly don't think it would be a good idea to legalize all drugs:
"Would the world be a better place if all drugs were legalized tomorrow? Absolutely. But pragmatically speaking, you're not going to go from the criminalization of all drugs to the legalization of drugs overnight," Johnson told the Daily Caller in 2012.

...you're skeptical of the idea that women should serve in combat:
"Yes, they should," Johnson says.

...you think the U.S. is justified when it resorts to torture:
Johnson disagrees. "Torture and the practice of detainment without being charged are practices that need to stop," he said in a Reddit AMA.

...the transgender bathroom issue is important to you:
Earlier this year, Johnson said if he were governor of North Carolina when lawmakers there passed a controversial bill that would force trans individuals to use the bathroom of their "sex at birth," he would have vetoed it. "In my veto message I would have said this is an issue that has existed forever and for those involved they have been dealing with it and I'd just like to leave it to them to continue to deal with it. North Carolina of course is taking the wrath of the country, as deserved I think, for having signed that legislation."

...you don't believe that climate change is happening, or that it's manmade:
Johnson believes both, but that doesn't mean he wants to see the government intervening to stop it. "I accept the fact that there is global warming and I accept the fact that it's man caused. That said, I am opposed to cap and trade. I'm a free market guy when it comes to the clean environment the number-one factor when it comes to the clean environment is a good economy."

...you're a Glenn Beck fan:
Beck has said he will "probably" vote for Gary Johnson this year, but that didn't win him any points with the former governor. Johnson is not fond of the conservative pundit, and he hasn't been for a while. "I have not watched Glenn Beck. I don't watch him," Johnson told Salon in 2010. It was only after a sustained lobbying campaign that Johnson finally sat down for an interview with the radio host earlier this month.

If you lean libertarian and...

...you think the government has no business telling a person what clothes they can or cannot wear:
If he were elected president, Johnson told Reason earlier this year, he would sign a law banning burqas. "Under sharia law women are not afforded the same rights as men," Johnson said, by way of explanation. "Honor killings are allowed for under sharia law and so is deceiving non-Muslims." (He was later forced to walk back this stance.)

...you think the government should not force businesses to provide goods or services to anyone:
At the Libertarian debate in April, when Johnson was asked whether a Jewish baker should be forced to bake a cake for a Nazi family, he answered in the affirmative. His position rubbed a lot of Libertarians the wrong way, including his rival for the nomination, Austin Petersen, who said Johnson's position "betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of the free market; you have to allow the marketplace to work. The government cannot stamp out bigotry. The government is not supposed to make us into better people, that's not what the United States was founded on."

...you don't think the government should micromanage things like food labeling:
Johnson believes genetically modified food ought to be labeled. "I have celiac disease, so I need food labeled. I think food should be labeled, and that would include GMOs in food," he said in a Reddit AMA.

...you don't think the government should decide when or where a person can smoke a cigarette:
Johnson has evolved on whether the government should be able to issue sweeping declarations like "No Smoking" in restaurants: "I was opposed to the government mandating that restaurants not allow people to smoke, believing it becomes the customer's choice whether they go in or not," Johnson told the Wall Street Journal in 2010. "But then, I thought, 'What about the employees? Aren't they hostage to a smoking environment, even if they don't smoke?'"

And finally:

If you're a reasonable human being, of any political persuasion:
Johnson believes, despite overwhelming scientific consensus, that vaccines should not be mandatory – a view that any reasonable person, regardless of political affiliation, would agree is a threat to public health.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 23 Aug, 2016 02:35 pm
@maporsche,
maporsche wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:
Don't know why you all care what I think of Trump. If he did get elected I think he would be impeached and resign before the trial.


I don't [really] care what you think about Trump...I already think I know the answer. I'm asking so that others who read all this anti-Clinton stuff ... all the time ... also question what the other guy would do if he won.

You know there are only two candidates who have a shot at winning in November. Just because you've chosen to vote for neither does not change that. Others who read should consider what the other guy
would do.

Also, I'm still hoping that you'll come around to voting for Hillary (even without supporting her) based on the fact that Trump would be worse (in your eyes, and in mine).


What I would like to know is how you people manage to guard Hillary on a2k 24/7. How do you find time?
My bitterness toward Clinton is based on her dishonesty, her false liberal talk, the nasty way she and the Democratic structure defrauded the primaries, her Dick Cheney style slant on foreign policy and her blatant adhering to the corporatism taking democracy away from the nation.
With Trump, it is so obvious what a disaster he is even his own party is cringing.
 

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