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The Quotable Reich

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 02:55 pm
@camlok,
Quote:
It's very funny watching you guys point at each others presidents -

Baldimo: Yours is a bigger war criminal/liar/terrorist than my guy.
Whoever: No, he isn't. Yours is a bigger war criminal/liar/terrorist than my guy.
Baldimo: blah blah blah, ....

"hypocrisy" can't be in US editions of M-W.

I never claimed Obama was a war criminal, that is your obsession. I'm calling them, anyone who supported Obamas' bombs, out for being hypocrites. They were all against Bush and what he did as CIC, but Obama took it all to the next level and they were quiet as church mice during his term in office. Now that there isn't a Dem in office, they are suddenly concerned with bombs being dropped.

While you might be several fries short of a happy meal but you are at least consistent.
nimh
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:08 pm
@Baldimo,
Your perception of who is being hypocritical might be a little distorted. When Obama proposed missile strikes against Syria in response to Assad's use of chemical weapons, just 38% of Democrats supported it. Now that Trump's actually done it, 37% of Democrats approved. So Democratic voters have actually shown surprising consistency in their response.

Republican voters, though? When Obama proposed missile strikes, just 22% of Republicans were in favor. Now that Trump did it, a massive 86% of them approved. Now there's some partisan lenses...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/04/11/daily-202-reflexive-partisanship-drives-polling-lurch-on-syria-strikes/58ec27d4e9b69b3a72331e6e/
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:17 pm
@nimh,
Quote:
Your perception of who is being hypocritical might be a little distorted. When Obama proposed missile strikes against Syria in response to Assad's use of chemical weapons, just 38% of Democrats supported it. Now that Trump's actually done it, 37% of Democrats approved. So Democratic voters have actually shown surprising consistency in their response.

Republican voters, though? When Obama proposed missile strikes, just 22% of Republicans were in favor. Now that Trump did it, a massive 86% of them approved. Now there's some partisan lenses...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/daily-202/2017/04/11/daily-202-reflexive-partisanship-drives-polling-lurch-on-syria-strikes/58ec27d4e9b69b3a72331e6e/

Well that's 1 country out of 7 that Obama was bombing, what were the Dems feelings about the other 6 countries? Where is Code Pink?
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camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:19 pm
@Baldimo,
Quote:
I never claimed Obama was a war criminal,


Of course you haven't. You stay miles away from anything that leads to the truth.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:22 pm
@camlok,
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Of course you haven't. You stay miles away from anything that leads to the truth.

There's the truth, and then there is your truth. No one believes your truth because you only talk about what you hate, you never talk about what you support.

I can tell you don't support US actions post WWII, who's actions did you support post WWII?
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:24 pm
@Baldimo,
You'll just run and hide. like you always do, like your fellow travelers/citizens do, even the ones that pretend they have a heart.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:33 pm
@camlok,
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You'll just run and hide. like you always do, like your fellow travelers/citizens do, even the ones that pretend they have a heart.

See this is the BS I'm talking about. When asked a straight forward question about what you do believe you start with the ducking and diving, bobbing and weaving. Either speak your peace with no BS build up or just don't say anything. Enough with the distractions, get on with it.
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:40 pm
@Baldimo,
I'll start a thread if you promise you will stay there and discuss whatever is put forward.

You can see what cowards you lot are by how many of you fled, how many of you never showed up in the discussion of America's Grandest Lie. A lie that you know is a lie.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:47 pm
@camlok,
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I'll start a thread if you promise you will stay there and discuss whatever is put forward.


It doesn't require a full thread, you can do it in a single post. Considering how many 1's and 0's you waste on 9-11, you can spend a couple of sentences mentioning the things you do actually support.


cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:53 pm
@nimh,
Hypocrites. Do they understand which is up and which is down?
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camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:56 pm
@Baldimo,
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Considering how many 1's and 0's you waste on 9-11,


Odd that you would bring up the one subject that illustrates just how cowardly so many of you are. And you all, the ones with the rock solid story.
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camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:58 pm
@McGentrix,
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because Rice is a black woman...


Would this be the same Rice woman, the war criminal Rice from the Bush cabal of war criminals?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 03:59 pm
@nimh,
What is also surprising about that poll is the simple fact that Trump's approval rating is one of the lowest in history. That 86% approval just doesn't compute based on other polls.
However, according to past history, bombing seems to favor a president's actions.
camlok
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 04:02 pm
@georgeob1,
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Perhaps you should consider some classes in spelling and grammar.


Mr Garrulous speaks on more things he knows little about.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 13 Apr, 2017 05:54 pm
@cicerone imposter,
The 86% refers to the share of Republicans who approve of Trump's decision to bomb that Syrian airport. The overall approval of Trump among Republicans is probably somewhere in the same region.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2017 11:50 am
Robert Reich
13 mins ·
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and House GOP leadership played the “Rocky” theme song this morning as Republican lawmakers huddled to prepare for their vote this afternoon to repeal (and “replace”) the Affordable Care Act. “Let’s get this f--king thing done!” Rep. Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) yelled.
Ryan said the vote was about fulfilling a promise the GOP made to voters.
Rubbish.
1. Those voters have been lied to from the start about the Affordable Care Act. Since 2010, they've been repeatedly told by the GOP and its outlets at Fox News and right-wing radio that the Act couldn’t work, wouldn’t deliver health care, would bankrupt America, would result in millions losing the healthcare they had before. All of these lies have been proven wrong.
2. Now, the GOP is lying to them about having a “replacement” that will protect people with pre-existing health problems. It won’t. Creating a separate high-risk pool for such people is a recipe for unaffordable premiums, co-payments, and deductibles – which means millions of them won’t get heath care. Some will die.
3. And they’re lying about their real motive here. The only reason Republicans are so intent on repealing (and “replacing”) the Affordable Care Act is they want to give a giant tax cut to the rich – some $300 billion to $600 billion – who’d no longer have to pay the tab.
Anyone who votes for this Republican sham should be ashamed. And shouldn’t be reelected.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2017 02:35 pm
Important background for understanding what happened today in the House:
America has the only healthcare system in the world designed to avoid sick people. Private for-profit health insurers do whatever they can to insure groups of healthy people, because that’s where the profits are. They also make every effort to avoid sick people, because that’s where the costs are.
The Affordable Care Act puts healthy and sick people into the same insurance pool. But under the Republican bill that just passed the House, healthy people will no longer be subsidizing sick people.
Healthy people will be in their own insurance pool. Sick people will be grouped with other sick people in their own high-risk pool – which will result in such high premiums, co-payments, and deductibles that many if not most won’t be able to afford the cost.
Republicans say their bill creates a pool of money that will pay insurance companies to cover the higher costs of insuring sick people. Rubbish. Insurers will take the money and still charge sick people much higher premiums. Or avoid sick people altogether.
The only real alternative here is a single-payer system, such as Medicare for all, which would put all Americans into the same giant insurance pool. Not only would this be fairer, but it would also be far more efficient, because money wouldn’t be spent marketing and advertising to attract healthy people and avoid sick people.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2017 03:09 pm
@edgarblythe,
I'm glad to report, I'm in the Medicare insurance pool. Our cost may increase, but there's nothing we can do when the government makes their decision on retired folks. I believe it'll remain affordable for most retired people, because without it, our insurance would be the highest. We use health care more as we get older.
Good article on health care rationing: https://www.scu.edu/ethics/focus-areas/bioethics/resources/aged-based-health-care-rationing/
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2017 03:18 pm
Robert Reich

To become law, Trumpcare has to go through 4 additional steps:
1. Pass an amended version in the Senate
2. Go to “conference“ to hammer out differences between the House and Senate
3. Pass in the House again
4. Pass in the Senate again
I hope you’ll be there every step of the way, until Trumpcare collapses under the weight of its own cruelty.
Here’s what you can do:
11 days of congressional recess starts today. At this very moment, your Representatives are on flights back home to your district. Over the next week they’ll be holding fundraisers and working out of their district offices. As of today, only 5 members of Congress have scheduled town halls.
First, call on them publicly to have a town hall to explain their vote on Trumpcare. If they won’t, show up at their district office and give clear feedback.
When these members are forced to vote again on Trumpcare, they will look back to the responses of their constituents this week.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 4 May, 2017 03:46 pm
@edgarblythe,
The best estimates available for trumpcare is that 24 million people will lose their health insurance. How do these idiots sleep at night; they are crass and unfeeling for million of Americans who need health insurance. Without it, many will die, and that includes mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, nephews, nieces, and other family members and friends.
Is that how they treat their parents, siblings, and other family members?
Makes you wonder why they want to give the wealthy more money with bigger tax cuts.
 

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