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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

When are you going to get the idea that I don't care about Trumps claims, I have had an issue with our voter system for many years now. I didn't vote for the guy so why keep asking me to defend him and his statements? Do you think you are going to get me with some sort of "gotcha" moment so you can call me a racist and a bigot like you do Trump on an hourly basis? We get it, you think anyone who isn't a left of center person is a racist and a bigot, we get it. The problem is for some of the things you call him out on are not really what you want them to be and most reasonable people can see that.

Baldimo, this "I didn't vote for the guy" stuff, while true, really ceases to be relevant when you continue to defend his policies.

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@McGentrix,

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In NYS all you need to is sign your name and it has to sort of resemble the signature next to it.

You don't also have to give your name? A name that's been pre-registered to vote?
You don't also have to give your address?

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@maporsche,

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Baldimo, this "I didn't vote for the guy" stuff, while true, really ceases to be relevant when you continue to defend his policies.

Which policies of Trumps have I defended? A border wall? It's something I've talked about well before Trump ran for election. Election Fraud? Once again, something I've talked about before Trump ran for election. Any others should be interesting.

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@maporsche,

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You don't also have to give your name? A name that's been pre-registered to vote?
You don't also have to give your address?

Without an ID, how do they prove it? Honor system?

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

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You don't also have to give your name? A name that's been pre-registered to vote?
You don't also have to give your address?

Without an ID, how do they prove it? Honor system?

So you think that people are just showing up and giving names and addresses? Making them up on the spot? You think Javier Gonzalez is walking into a poling place and saying "Hola sir, my name is Steven L Goldberg and mi casa is at 123 America Avenue. Freedom!"

Or do you think there is some effort going on to get databases of legitimate registered voter names/addresses and that those names are being given to illegal aliens who are then tasked with memorizing the names and addresses and signatures so that they can defraud voters?

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@maporsche,

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So you think that people are just showing up and giving names and addresses? Making them up on the spot? You think Javier Gonzalez is walking into a poling place and saying "Hola sir, my name is Steven L Goldberg and mi casa is at 123 America Avenue. Freedom!"

Or do you think there is some effort going on to get databases of legitimate registered voter names/addresses and that those names are being given to illegal aliens who are then tasked with memorizing the names and addresses and signatures so that they can defraud voters?

You just described how ID theft works, and it is a thriving business, why is the vote so different than stealing money? Payoff? We vote every cycle with no real pay off, why do we do it? In hopes of changing the way things are done. Given the Rights thoughts on immigration, do you really think there is no payoff for someone to try and fraud the system to get someone who isn't strong on immigration elected?

I'm struggling to figure out why you think the vote is so sacred that no one would ever dare to try and cheat the system. You must have complete faith in man-kind to have that sort of faith.

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@maporsche,

Nope, name and sign. It's pretty simple. However, My parents, both passed, are still on the voting books last time I voted. I had to point that out to them.

Would be really easy to say I was them later in the day.

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@McGentrix,

Sure, but you do know the penalty for voter fraud?

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@Baldimo,

Baldimo wrote:

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So you think that people are just showing up and giving names and addresses? Making them up on the spot? You think Javier Gonzalez is walking into a poling place and saying "Hola sir, my name is Steven L Goldberg and mi casa is at 123 America Avenue. Freedom!"

Or do you think there is some effort going on to get databases of legitimate registered voter names/addresses and that those names are being given to illegal aliens who are then tasked with memorizing the names and addresses and signatures so that they can defraud voters?

You just described how ID theft works, and it is a thriving business, why is the vote so different than stealing money? Payoff? We vote every cycle with no real pay off, why do we do it? In hopes of changing the way things are done. Given the Rights thoughts on immigration, do you really think there is no payoff for someone to try and fraud the system to get someone who isn't strong on immigration elected?

I'm struggling to figure out why you think the vote is so sacred that no one would ever dare to try and cheat the system. You must have complete faith in man-kind to have that sort of faith.

Mostly I'm just trying to clarify some statements you made in the past that you DID NOT believe there was some vast network of orchestrated voter fraud.

Now you're apparently arguing that there IS massive, orchestrated voter fraud.

Your opinions are very hard to pin down.

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@maporsche,

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Mostly I'm just trying to clarify some statements you made in the past that you DID NOT believe there was some vast network of orchestrated voter fraud.

Correct

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Now you're apparently arguing that there IS massive, orchestrated voter fraud.

Where did you get this from my comments? I've always said the system is open to fraud without the proper checks and protections, I do not believe we have the proper checks and balances.

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Your opinions are very hard to pin down.

No they aren't. I've been pretty clear. The problem is you have been trying to paint me into some sort of corner and you fail.

What is hard to understand is why you think the voting system is so sacred that no one would dare to try. Doesn't matter if were 1 person or 1 million. As I have noted, ID theft is big business. It doesn't stop at just stealing someone's credit line or tax return, it can extend into any aspect that some sort of gain, not always money, can be achieved.

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@Baldimo,

If there aren't proper protections, why is voter fraud over blown? Trump's claim of voter fraud has no evidence.

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@cicerone imposter,

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If there aren't proper protections, why is voter fraud over blown?

You are going to have to reword this, it isn't making sense.

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Trump's claim of voter fraud has no evidence.

There you go again, wanting me to answer for Trumps words. You can't pretend this is the first time we are discussing this topic. Get off of the Trump train.

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@Baldimo,

That's plain English grammar.

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@cicerone imposter,

https://www.google.com/amp/s/miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/news/politics-government/article128732344.html?client=safari

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@cicerone imposter,

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If there aren't proper protections, why is voter fraud over blown?

This appears to say that voter fraud is overblown because we do not have proper protections. Is this what you are saying?

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@Baldimo,

You need to take a class in reading comprehension. You dont assimilate what you read correctly.

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@Baldimo,

Put another way, "if there aren't proper protections, why is voter fraud so small or non-existent?"

[quote]Penalty for election fraud
Since voter fraud is very rare and has not impacted elections, there is no rational reason to alter the existing penalties: The criminal penalty for fraudulently voting when not legally qualified or for voting more than once when qualified is a fine of $300 to $500, one to two years in prison, and disenfranchisement.
Voter Fraud Penalty - Political Forum[/quote]

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@RABEL222,

I do when it makes sense, his comment didn't make sense.

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@Baldimo,

Try reading it again. Or have someone interpret it for you.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/miamiherald.relaymedia.com/amp/news/politics-government/article128732344.html?client=safari

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Robert Reich
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Disturbing news this morning about how much “truth” about the rest of the world is getting to Trump.
1. The Observer reports that the U.S. intelligence community is so convinced that Trump and his administration has been compromised by Russia that they are no longer giving the White House all of their most sensitive information, lest it end up in Putin's hands. A senior National Security Agency official explained that the National Security Agency was systematically holding back some of the “good stuff” from the White House, fearing Trump and his staff cannot keep secrets.
2. The intelligence community is concerned that even the Situation Room – the conference room in the West Wing where the president and his top staffers get intelligence briefings -- has been compromised by Russia. A senior Pentagon intelligence official stated that “since January 20, we’ve assumed that the Kremlin has ears inside the SITROOM. There’s not much the Russians don’t know at this point,” the official added in frustration.
3. The New York Times reports “chaotic and anxious days inside the National Security Council.” Council staff get up in the morning, read Trump’s tweets, and struggle to make policy to fit them. Most are kept in the dark about what Trump tells foreign leaders in his phone calls. Some staff members have turned to encrypted communications to talk with their colleagues, after hearing that Mr. Trump’s top advisers are considering an “insider threat” program that could result in monitoring their cellphones and emails for leaks.
4. National security adviser Michael T. Flynn has hunkered down since investigators began looking into what, exactly, he told the Russian ambassador to the United States about the lifting of sanctions imposed in the last days of the Obama administration, and whether he misled Vice President Mike Pence about those conversations. His survival in the job may hang in the balance.
Bottom line: U.S. foreign policy is now in the hands of a man with a severe personality disorder, who is not getting the information a president needs about the rest of the world. If that doesn’t worry you, nothing will.

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