A question for liberals and conservatives...........

So I am guessing that you intend to disregard posts by anarchists. Rather sad really and indicative of a lack of knowledge of political philosophy. So say we start with the Code of Hammurabi quite a few centuries B.E. from whence we got such ideas as "an eye for an eye' codified. Moving forward we come to such political ideas as Plato and Aristotle that we have taken as a model for democracy in which actuality demonstrates that some 300 land/slave owning men out of a population in excess of 300,000 constitued "democracy". Try reading Plato's Republic and come away with any sense of fairness or equity towards the common man/woman/child, you can only shake your head in shame that this is what we emulate as "political thinking." Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on thousands of years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners. Governance has been and continues to be the major means of protecting wealth rather than advocating for the well-being of society.
BTW I am the resident anarchist, so may want to just skip over any of my posts in the future.

Kerry had a cameraman photograph events after the fact to make them appear as he wanted.

DTOM: I don't know what date it was, but some of the movies were shown on CNN when this swiftboat thing started. It showed him and his crew going through some action the way it happened, recording it on tape. I am sorry I don't know more and have some concrete data on it.

Olen.

So I am guessing that you intend to disregard posts by anarchists. Rather sad really and indicative of a lack of knowledge of political philosophy. So say we start with the Code of Hammurabi quite a few centuries B.E. from whence we got such ideas as "an eye for an eye' codified. Moving forward we come to such political ideas as Plato and Aristotle that we have taken as a model for democracy in which actuality demonstrates that some 300 land/slave owning men out of a population in excess of 300,000 constitued "democracy". Try reading Plato's Republic and come away with any sense of fairness or equity towards the common man/woman/child, you can only shake your head in shame that this is what we emulate as "political thinking." Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on thousands of years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners. Governance has been and continues to be the major means of protecting wealth rather than advocating for the well-being of society.
BTW I am the resident anarchist, so may want to just skip over any of my posts in the future.

so "looking patriotic" even faked is ok as long as it's not Kerry doing it? interesting.

so "looking patriotic" even faked is ok as long as it's not Kerry doing it? interesting.

dyslexia wrote:

So I am guessing that you intend to disregard posts by anarchists. Rather sad really and indicative of a lack of knowledge of political philosophy. So say we start with the Code of Hammurabi quite a few centuries B.E. from whence we got such ideas as "an eye for an eye' codified. Moving forward we come to such political ideas as Plato and Aristotle that we have taken as a model for democracy in which actuality demonstrates that some 300 land/slave owning men out of a population in excess of 300,000 constitued "democracy". Try reading Plato's Republic and come away with any sense of fairness or equity towards the common man/woman/child, you can only shake your head in shame that this is what we emulate as "political thinking." Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on thousands of years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners. Governance has been and continues to be the major means of protecting wealth rather than advocating for the well-being of society.
BTW I am the resident anarchist, so may want to just skip over any of my posts in the future.

My pals at www.infoshop.org not withstanding, anarchists try to overthrow current government by means of political disorder and violence. Reaching back to the Code of Hammurabi to justify the violence of the current Anarchist movement is a stretch (except for 141, which might have helped out some of my buddies.

I think a better application of Plato may be his Allegory of the Cave; I think that anarchists let their hatred of any government deceive them to the realities of the Twenty First Century, much like the prisoners facing the wall in Plato's Cave.

As this board's resident anarchist, I guess I should ask you the same question I've asked others with this political belief; if you succeed in overthrowing the United States government, what's your next move?

What's the plan, Sam? Keep in mind, you need to worry about the actions and desires of other world governments, who just might want to swoop in and fill the vacuum you created.

Sorry about disregarding the posts of anarchists in this thread; by definition, I was asking the opinion of those who consider themselves moderate, which any self-respecting anarchist certainly is not.[/B] But if you could direct me to other threads about the anarchist in the 21st Century (or start one yourself), I would be very interested in continuing this discussion.....

I'm not sure whether the author of this thread does or does not wish to discuss anarchy. I do think that the flag raising on Iwo Jima was not "faked" and its symbolism is not fake either.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/iwoflag.htm