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The Gravitational Center of the Republican Party is White Nationalism

 
 
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 02:46 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
Well first of all I don't know that Donald Trump said that... And neither do you.


After initially denying it Trump admitted that those accusations were "probably true" in the May 1997 edition of Playboy when he said "Nobody has had worse things written about them than me. And here I am. The stuff O'Donnell wrote about me is probably true." His casino was also fined $200,000 for removing black dealers like the accusation included.

This is about as corroborated as this kind of thing gets.

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But more importantly did he express superiority of whites over blacks?


When he said he wanted them counting his money instead of blacks it seems pretty clearly so.
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 02:59 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Are you able to provide the complete transcript of what Trump said when he referred to the statements being true... You see I'm not in the habit of accusing people until I have the whole story to ensure that statements are not taken out of context... And you must admit the Press and powers-that-be seem to do that at will and pass it off as fact because there is no Integrity in journalism today
Also I'd like to see exactly why the black dealers for were removed and what the $200,000 was for was it a settlement in a civil suit was it a fine where nobody admitted guilt would it have been in a protracted fight because he fired them for cause but they claim that it was because they were black... Do you know?
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 03:04 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
Are you able to provide the complete transcript of what Trump said when he referred to the statements being true...


I gave you a verbatim quote from the interview, surely you can Google it yourself to read the whole interview but the part I quoted was all he said about the accusations. That they were "probably true", and then he went on to call the guy who wrote them a "******* loser" and doesn't say much more about it.

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Also I'd like to see exactly why the black dealers for were removed and what the $200,000 was for was it a settlement in a civil suit was it a fine where nobody admitted guilt would it have been in a protracted fight because he fired them for cause but they claim that it was because they were black... Do you know?


It was a fine for removing black dealers at the request of a racist high roller. The fine came from the NJ Casino Commission, not a lawsuit settlement. These were also the accusations in the book that Donald admitted were "probably true", which included the claim that black workers were to be removed when he visited the casino and that jews should count his money instead of blacks.
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 04:06 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I reviewed the information that you're alluding to and conclude with the exception of a couple of off-color rude remarks I don't see any basis for the charge of racism in Donald Trump. Yes he seems to engage his mouth before thinking and he can be crude but I don't see any evidence about racism. Are some of his comments based on and unjustified prejudice? Probably. But I don't see Donald attending any clandestine Klan meetings or secretly owning a white sheet and Hood.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 04:11 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
But I don't see Donald attending any clandestine Klan meetings or secretly owning a white sheet and Hood.


Neither do I, though his father did apparently attend some Klan events if my memory serves me. But I don't think one must exhibit racism to that extreme to qualify as being racist. Whether or not you are willing to label his prejudices racism is up to you of course but there is a lot of evidence over decades that he harbors significant racial prejudices, whatever you want to call this.
giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 04:16 pm
@Robert Gentel,
What I view as evidence is something I would bet my life on or take into court something that is reasonable and prudent and has a basis in fact undisputable fact not innuendo or an emotional opinion.
When I was a police officer I prided myself on applying the law and Gathering the facts under the premise, without prejudice or passion. Just like Joe Friday used to say just the facts ma'am.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 04:21 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Your memory is good: http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/election/Candidate-match/article63064037.html
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 04:22 pm
@giujohn,
giujohn wrote:
What I view as evidence is something I would bet my life on...


This is a standard of evidence that is incompatible with reality. In real life you don't often get such iron clad evidence and no legal system would function with evidentiary standards set this high.

In any case, I'm not going to waste too much time trying to convince you whether or not he is racist. You've acknowledged that he has exhibited racial prejudice and whether or not you want to use that label for him is not a big deal to me. I do not see racism as a binary thing, where people are or are not and see it as more of a spectrum that we are all on somewhere. It seems clear to me that Trump is further on the racist side of the spectrum than is desirable and that should be something that most reasonable people can agree on.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 04:24 pm
@Robert Gentel,
There is much evidence that Trump is a racist. That he would ban all Muslims from entering the US is textbook racism. His wall reinforces his racism.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 04:32 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Muslims aren't a race, and issues are complex and can often be driven by various motivating factors that may include racism or xenophobia but I don't think it is easy to take any one such thing and make that determination. I just don't think things are that clear cut. However the narrative that all of them put together over decades meets my criteria for considering him to be racist.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 04:40 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I know that Muslims aren't a race. Many live in Indonesia. But the bigotry against them is similar.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/news/racism-against-muslims/

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Islamophobia or Muslimophobia (see section "Terms" for related terms) is the prejudice, hatred, or bigotry directed against Islam and Muslims. The causes and characteristics of Islamophobia are still debated. Some scholars have defined it as a form of cultural racism.
Islamophobia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IslamophobiaWikipedia
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 05:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I agree that these things are bigotry. My point was that at what point bigotry becomes racism is a subjective value judgement that varies from person to person and I think reasonable people can differ in opinion on whether his campaign promises make him a racist person. In my case the narrative over his years is enough for me to conclude that he probably is so, but wouldn't personally be very sure of it on the basis of the campaign bigotry alone, as it could be another brand of bigotry or even feigned altogether.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 05:51 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I think there's enough 'evidence' out there for people to decide whether Trump is a bigot or not. I think he's more than a bigot when he encourages people at his rallies to commit violence.

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2016/1/trumps-bigotry-tests-the-limits-of-free-speech.html
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giujohn
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 06:49 pm
@Robert Gentel,
Robert Gentel wrote:

giujohn wrote:
What I view as evidence is something I would bet my life on...


This is a standard of evidence that is incompatible with reality. In real life you don't often get such iron clad evidence and no legal system would function with evidentiary standards set this high.


I'm not sure what country you live in and in my experience I've never encountered a kangaroo court and I've brought plenty of cases to the DA. I was always required to bring the best evidence to trial. And in my law enforcement career I have seen others who have tried to come into court what less then desirable evidence and never made it in the door. That's the reality.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2016 09:29 pm
@Robert Gentel,
It's also a lie. He doesn't give Hillary Clinton the same leeway as he's giving the Donald here.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Wed 3 Aug, 2016 06:21 pm
@Robert Gentel,
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Muslims aren't a race


http://www.swi.org/look-whos-on-the-move-a-demographic-breakdown-of-islam/

Admittedly an anti Muslim site but I believe the figures are correct - less the editorial comments.

That's true, but what Muslims are racially is 90% not white.

Look Who’s On the Move: A Demographic Breakdown of Islam

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond’s book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

United States — Muslim 0.6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%

Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8

Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%


Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 100%
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