Osama Dun Bin Forgotten

Clinton didn't swear to catch OBL while addressing the families of 9/11.

Bush did.

Now, answer my question, if you can.

We're not even talking about 'all the time' like you said. We're talking about at all. Bush doesn't mention OBL AT ALL.

Don't compare this to Clinton. I'm asking you, directly, what changed to make Bush stop talking about catching OBL over the last 2 years? To go from mentioning him frequently, talking about how important it is to catch him, to never mentioning him?

Cycloptichorn

"Osama bin Laden and his assortment of Islamic maniacs. The president's job is not to apologize. His job is to react; to pursue the people who did this thing ... and permanently remove them as a threat to our security and interests. "

Link: http://www.kmj580.com/articles/bush-speech.shtml

You have no idea what the action is, and you have utterly failed to assess the degree of difficulty in your claim that the result shows negligence.

Brandon9000 wrote:

"Osama bin Laden and his assortment of Islamic maniacs. The president's job is not to apologize. His job is to react; to pursue the people who did this thing ... and permanently remove them as a threat to our security and interests. "

Link: http://www.kmj580.com/articles/bush-speech.shtml

Not sure if you noticed, Brandon - but that link does not lead to Mr. Bush saying anything about Bin Laden.

Brandon9000 wrote:

You have no idea what the action is, and you have utterly failed to assess the degree of difficulty in your claim that the result shows negligence.

You're reaching, not to mention misrepresenting my argument. In fact, I was only saying that we don't have him. It's not my job to assess the degree of difficulty. I'm an information consumer. My president told me a few years ago that we were going to smoke him out of his hole. It hasn't happened yet and he's no longer talking tough about that. That's all I'm saying. No more, no less.

By the Numbers

So far in 2004, Bush has mentioned Osama bin Laden by name on eight occasions -- and he once answered a question about bin Laden without himself using bin Laden's name.

(By contrast, he has mentioned Saddam Hussein's name on about 125 occasions during the same period.)

In 2003, Bush mentioned bin Laden on two occasions, and three times answered questions about bin Laden without himself using bin Laden's name. (By contrast, he mentioned Saddam Hussein about 190 times.)

Special thanks to Mike Snyder of washingtonpost.com, who contributed to the research. Here are the database "hits" for bin Laden:

You still cannot answer a simple question, Brandon.

I'm not interested in your opinion about whether my beliefs about how the country is being run are valid or not. Just answer the simple question.

What changed to make Bush stop talking about Bin Laden? From mentioning him every week, or every day, to talking about him a handful of times per year (Zero mentions at the RNC, Zero in any of his state of the Union addresses)?

It's a simple question. Can you answer it?

Cycloptichorn

Read it, Brandon. I did. I wondered why Bush was referring to the presidency in the third person. He didn't....

...In 2003, Bush mentioned bin Laden on two occasions...

I thought it was the general consensus by the liberal elite that Osama had been captured already and that the Bush administration was just waiting for the right crisis to wheel him out?

I believe the president has a unique role in setting the national agenda.

I believe that he used to talk about Bin Laden a lot, but he doesn't anymore.

When someone talks about something a lot, and then ceases to discuss it, it is a good sign that their priorities have changed.

Your belief is that they aren't talking about it to 'avoid tipping off Bin Laden.' Which doesn't really make any sense, but okay.

My belief is that they are embarassed by their failure to follow through on their promises. This makes a lot of sense; people don't like to talk about things they are embarassed of.

Given to an impartial judge, which do you think they would say is more likely?

Cycloptichorn

[ If you'd like to try and prove that only minor efforts or incompetent efforts are being taken to catch OBL, go ahead.

Brandon9000 wrote:

[ If you'd like to try and prove that only minor efforts or incompetent efforts are being taken to catch OBL, go ahead.

Oh, goodie. This is one of my personal favourites.

You liberals ...

Meaning of LIBERAL
Pronunciation: 'liburul

WordNet Dictionary

Definition: [n] a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
[n] a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets
[adj] tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition

See Also: adult, grownup, latitudinarian, left, neoliberal, pluralist, Whig




Webster's 1913 Dictionary

Definition: \Lib"er*al\ (l[i^]b"[~e]r*al), a. [F. lib['e]ral, L.
liberalis, from liber free; perh. akin to libet, lubet, it
pleases, E. lief. Cf. {Deliver}.]
1. Free by birth; hence, befitting a freeman or gentleman;
refined; noble; independent; free; not servile or mean;
as, a liberal ancestry; a liberal spirit; liberal arts or
studies. `` Liberal education.'' --Macaulay. `` A liberal
tongue.'' --Shak.

2. Bestowing in a large and noble way, as a freeman;
generous; bounteous; open-handed; as, a liberal giver. ``
Liberal of praise.'' --Bacon.

Infinitely good, and of his good As liberal and free
as infinite. --Milton.

3. Bestowed in a large way; hence, more than sufficient;
abundant; bountiful; ample; profuse; as, a liberal gift; a
liberal discharge of matter or of water.

His wealth doth warrant a liberal dower. --Shak.

4. Not strict or rigorous; not confined or restricted to the
literal sense; free; as, a liberal translation of a
classic, or a liberal construction of law or of language.

5. Not narrow or contracted in mind; not selfish; enlarged in
spirit; catholic.

6. Not bound by orthodox tenets or established forms in
political or religious philosophy; independent in opinion;
not conservative; friendly to great freedom in the
constitution or administration of government; having
tendency toward democratic or republican, as distinguished
from monarchical or aristocratic, forms; as, liberal
thinkers; liberal Christians; the Liberal party.



{The liberal arts}. See under {Art}.

{Liberal education}, education that enlarges and disciplines
the mind and makes it master of its own powers,
irrespective of the particular business or profession one
may follow.

Syn: Generous; bountiful; munificent; beneficent; ample;
large; profuse; free.

Usage: {Liberal}, {Generous}. Liberal is freeborn, and
generous is highborn. The former is opposed to the
ordinary feelings of a servile state, and implies
largeness of spirit in giving, judging, acting, etc.
The latter expresses that nobleness of soul which is
peculiarly appropriate to those of high rank, -- a
spirit that goes out of self, and finds its enjoyment
in consulting the feelings and happiness of others.
Generosity is measured by the extent of the sacrifices
it makes; liberality, by the warmth of feeling which
it manifests.


\Lib"er*al\, n.
One who favors greater freedom in political or religious
matters; an opponent of the established systems; a reformer;
in English politics, a member of the Liberal party, so
called. Cf. {Whig}.