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A Healthy Economy

 
 
chugalugalug
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 10:26 am
Here's a very COMMON MISCONCEPTION:

I have talked to a few people about the Fair Tax and when I
mention the taxes embedded in products that will go away, thus
reducing the prices of products, I hear things like, "Yeah, right.
Their taxes may go down but there's no way companies will pass the
savings on to the consumer who is already used to paying the higher
price."


In a market where there is no barrier to entry, when a firm or a
group of firms make a [economic] profit that goes beyond the normal
operating cost (normal profit which includes salaries, dividends,
etc.), it creates incentive for other firms to enter the market.

All things being equal, the demand for the product being constant,
larger the number of new firms entering the market, lower the prices
that can be charged by the new firms (assuming no product
differentiation). If the newer firms are offering less for the same
product, older firms already in the market need to lower their
prices accordingly or it will lose market share.

One more thing ---- price gouging is actually a positive thing since
it creates stimulus for other firms to enter the market to take
advantage of the large profit (price gouging). But larger the
number of new firms entering the market, lower the long term prices,
and larger the supply.

People who doesn't understand economics think that price gouging in
vaccines or oil was wrong, when in fact, that was the best thing to
happen because if it was allowed to continue, supply would have
increased.

Here's a simple intuitive example. Suppose there was a disaster
which destroyed all the electrical circuits in your area, and
there's only one electrician in town. There would be large demand
for his services, which would drive his hourly wages up. If the
incident was isolated to this particular area and electricians in
other town realized that they could make several times more offering
services at one-electrician-only town, they would start offering
services there (from nearby town), driving up the supply of
available electricians. In the long term, prices would drop and
equalize at normal equilibrium.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 10:26 am
Where did you cut and paste this from, Chug?

And why did you feel the need to post this in two different threads?

If you can't do more than repeat the talking points that are sent to you in group email, then don't bother...

Cycloptichorn
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 10:31 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:


And why did you feel the need to post this in two different threads?


Three by now ... :wink:
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:09 am
Hmmm... I don't recall seeing any comments on Franks repeated posting of the NYT's article condemning Bush... Strange...
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:11 am
Jesus, this is a copy of the other thread where JW said the same thing!

As I said there: I didn't see Frank post those in real-time. Therefore; nothing was said about it.

I do find it rather unsurprising that you took the same tack as JW did; rather than attempt to defend the actions of those you agree with, you point to someone else's actions as justification. A typical republican tactic.

Cycloptichorn
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JustWonders
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:11 am
McGentrix wrote:
Hmmm... I don't recall seeing any comments on Franks repeated posting of the NYT's article condemning Bush... Strange...


http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=961670&sid=7c6303523540b1e77dd041354ce39ae8#961670

Oops...LOL... Twisted Evil
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:19 am
JustWonders wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Hmmm... I don't recall seeing any comments on Franks repeated posting of the NYT's article condemning Bush... Strange...


http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=961670&sid=7c6303523540b1e77dd041354ce39ae8#961670

Oops...LOL... Twisted Evil


Laughing Laughing

Great minds....
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 11:32 am
Re: Mason jars & matress stuffing
chugalugalug wrote:
The money of tycoons isn't kept in mason jars and/or stuffed in matresses. That isn't their style. All money whether in bank deposits, stocks, bonds, annuities, mutual funds, etc., etc. is destined to finally find its way into capital investment.

Even though it is your money, the money institution holding it for you will channel it into interest bearing loans of some kind. It will end-up as capital investment in someone else's hands.

The same, of course, could be said for the money that ends up in the hands of the government. Indeed, the government is far less likely to put its money into the equivalent of a mason jar buried in the back yard than is your average tycoon. As such, this is as much a justification for raising taxes as it is for lowering them.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Mon 18 Oct, 2004 05:30 pm
the u.s magazine 'BusinessWeek" recently published an interesting article bemoaning the fact that the new u.s. immigration rules make it more difficult for foreign scientists /engineers and students to enter the united states. they gave numbers showing a surprising drop of immigration from these professionals and students. they stated that u.s. businesses will suffer if immigration is not increased soon for these applicants. they claim that there are simply not sufficient scientists/engineers and students in the u.s. to fill the vacancies. far from warning of a 'yellow peril' , they worry that these people will find other countries around the world offering them a chance and that america will be the loser. hbg
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 01:30 am
This tax would encourage people to buy goods in other countries, and possibly sell them on. How would this tax of yours deal with people buying one or two items just beyond the border? Would they be taxed reentering entering the states?
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 09:31 am
Re: Mason jars & matress stuffing
joefromchicago wrote:
chugalugalug wrote:
The money of tycoons isn't kept in mason jars and/or stuffed in matresses. That isn't their style. All money whether in bank deposits, stocks, bonds, annuities, mutual funds, etc., etc. is destined to finally find its way into capital investment.

Even though it is your money, the money institution holding it for you will channel it into interest bearing loans of some kind. It will end-up as capital investment in someone else's hands.

The same, of course, could be said for the money that ends up in the hands of the government. Indeed, the government is far less likely to put its money into the equivalent of a mason jar buried in the back yard than is your average tycoon. As such, this is as much a justification for raising taxes as it is for lowering them.


Right, Joe, and anyone who has studied economics in school and some of those have degress in economics will verify that the government has to spend the tax money somewhere. Where does a lot of it go? Back into the economy. Do we all want to work for the government or for private enterprises like Halliburton who benefit from government spending? That's a question many American citizens can answer who directly or indirectly get a paycheck from government spending of tax money.
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stoplearning
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 07:59 pm
The government is extremely inefficient, my aunt works at a governemnt hospital, she does virtually nothing and make about 40,000 a year. She tells me this. "I just play Solitaire most of the time" were her exact words. This is a widespread phenomenon. In governemnt, 10 people are doing the work that one reasonably intelligent and organized individual could do. "Dont work too hard" is the beauracrats motto. A hard working beauracrat(oxymoron?) makes others look bad and they and soon learns to be a bum. Thats the problem with the governemnt, it is huge, inefficient and very expensive. They tax us, chop off 30-40-50 percent or more for their redundant "administative costs" and toss the rest into military or social engineering programs. We in the private sector get shafted, and they get their cushy government job with benefits and a pension.
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Steppenwolf
 
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Reply Tue 19 Oct, 2004 08:34 pm
This is a widely misunderstood area of taxation and international trade (it seems that it's misunderstood in congress as well!!!). Anyway, I'm not as eloquent about this issue as some of the tax and trade experts out there, but the below article should interest you.

www.taxanalysts.com

I also tried to find an online copy of the Auerbach article referenced in this article, but I haven't yet been successful. It's a good read if you can find it.

Enjoy Smile
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 20 Oct, 2004 08:59 am
Looks like stop learning should stop learning and go work for the government. Your aunt isn't going to prove that all government employees sit around twiddling their thumbs. This is not what was stated -- Halliburton, for instance, is not a part of the government (well, that's debatable). The company I worked for in the 80's sold aircraft instrument panels to the military so in essence I worked for the government and I assure you I wasn't able to play Solitaire. The military industrial complex which Eisenhower criticized is working in hyper-drive. As to Solitaire, I just left a consultation job at a gallery where there wasn't enough to keep me busy so guess what I did on the computer at an excellent per hour compensation. As far as spending money on administration and bureaucracy, this administration has enlarged the bureaucracy to new highs.
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chugalugalug
 
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Reply Thu 21 Oct, 2004 12:01 pm
Read these articles:

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/news/editorial/9966136.htm

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2004/Oct/20041019News007.asp



http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1808.cfm



http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/04/10/18/a.asp



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/elections/orl-locmaxwell19101904oct19,0,6583698.column?coll=orl-home-headlines



http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~150~2476629,00.html



http://www.pantagraph.com/stories/101904/opi_20041019001.shtml



http://springfield.news-leader.com/news/today/1019-Collaborat-204882.html



http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/101904/new_national001.shtml



http://www.fortmorgantimes.com/Stories/0,1413,164~8312~2476557,00.html



http://www.northfulton.com/DisplayArticle.asp?ID=%7BCCD78D45-D677-4EEA-951C-75028921DF98%7D



http://www.swtimes.com/archive/2004/October/17/opinion/sat_letters.html



http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9951929.htm



http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/specialnews/election/119.htm



http://www.thecentralgeorgian.com/politics006.html



http://www.nbc5i.com/politics/3829370/detail.html



http://www.whig.com/286442958888713.php



http://www.aiada.org/article.asp?id=25450&cat=Politics



http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/special_packages/election2004/9949926.htm



http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/9946864.htm



http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/mld/myrtlebeachonline/9947530.htm



http://washingtontimes.com/national/20041018-124849-5560r.htm



http://www.starbanner.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041017/ZNYT01/410170303/1009/BUSINESS



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40620-2004Oct17.html



http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1004/181071.html



http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1004/181071.html



http://www.citizen-times.com/cache/article/editorial/63390.shtml



http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031778576301



http://www.2theadvocate.com/stories/101604/new_standout001.shtml



http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20041016.shtml



http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/5035563.html



http://www.thetandd.com/articles/2004/10/15/news/doc41707ebf59f2b427704385.txt



http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_comment/gessing200410150832.asp



http://www.fox21.com/Global/story.asp?S=2429734&nav=2KPpRzbZ
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chugalugalug
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2004 01:17 pm
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Einherjar
 
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Reply Sat 30 Oct, 2004 10:06 am
CHUG!!!
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