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Thok
 
Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 02:32 pm
After the two plan crashes:

10 die in Moscow blast
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TEN people were killed today in an explosion outside a Moscow subway station shortly after rush hour, a spokesman for Russia's FSB security service said.

The spokesman, Sergei Ignatchenko, said 33 people were injured in the blast. Another official spoke of 37 hurt.

Several children were reported wounded in the blast. The Moscow mayor, Yury Luzhkov, blamed the blast on an act of terrorism, but other officials said they were looking into all leads.

"With a great deal of probability it can be said we are talking about a premeditated explosion carried out by a terrorist female suicide bomber," an interior ministry official told journalists earlier.

The explosion caused carnage outside the station and came just a week after 90 people were killed in twin plane crashes classified by Russian officials as "terrorist acts".

Investigators have indicated that they suspect that the plane attack was carried out by two female Chechen suicide bombers.


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bold, but I think the chechnya rebels are better organized because they are smaller than Al- Quaida, of course.

I also belive, that both have no connection. In contrast to the politicians, which says the have.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 01:25 am
A wave attacks from the rebels, at first:

Moscow Rail Station Evacuated on Bomb Threat, Interfax Says

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Moscow police are conducting a partial evacuation at the Kursk railway station in central Moscow as they search for explosives after receiving an anonymous phone call from a man threatening to detonate a bomb at the station, Interfax news service reported.

Train services at the station haven't been disrupted, the news service said, citing the Interior Ministry's department on railway transport.

A suicide bomber last night detonated an explosive device near a subway station entrance in northern Moscow, killing 10 people and injuring 51, in the third terrorist attack in the country in one week. A group calling itself the Islambouli Brigades claimed responsibility for the blast in a statement posted on an Islamic Web site, according to Agence France-Presse.


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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 01:27 am
and:

Report: Armed Men Seize School in Russia

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Armed men seized a school in the Russian region of North Ossetia Wednesday morning and were in a gun battle with police, news reports said. The region borders with warring Chechnya.

The seizure took place on the first day of the Russian school year, when it was likely that a large number of parents had accompanied their children to class.

The reports said the seizure took place in the city of Beslan. Further details were not immediately available and law-enforcement officials could not be reached for comment.

Beslan about 10 miles north of Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, a republic that borders warring Chechnya.

Vladimir Yakovlev, President Vladimir Putin's envoy for the southern region of Russia that includes North Ossetia, was quoted by the Interfax news agency as saying it was unclear how many children, teachers and parents may be held in the school.


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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 02:37 am
Update


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200 children held hostage' in Russia

Attackers bearing guns and wrapped in suicide-bomb belts men seized a school in the Russian region of North Ossetia today and were holding hundreds of hostages including some 200 children, news reports said.

The seizure took place on the first day of the Russian school year, when it was likely that hundreds of parents had accompanied their children to class. Reports said the raid took place just after a ceremony marking the school year's start.

Sergei Vlasov, a spokesman for the Emergency Situations Ministry in Moscow, confirmed the seizure, but did not immediately have further details.

The ITAR-Tass news agency, citing regional emergency officials, said about 400 people including some 200 children were being held captive.

The Interfax news agency, citing Ismel Shaov, a regional spokesman for the Federal Security Service, said there were 17 attackers, both make and female, and the gang included some who were wearing suicide-bomb belts.

The in the city of Beslan, about 15 kilometers (10 miles) north of Vladikavkaz, the capital of North Ossetia, a republic that borders warring Chechnya.

There were no immediate reports of whether the assailants were making demands or indications of who they were.

However, Chechen rebels who raided a Moscow theater in 2002, seizing hundreds of hostages, included women who were heavily wrapped with explosives.

In 1995, Chechen rebels led by warlord Shamil Basayev seized a hospital in the southern Russian city of Budyonnovsk, taking some 2,000 people hostage. The six-day standoff ended with a fierce Russian police assault. Some 100 people died in the incident.

Wednesday's seizure came as terrorism fears in Russia rose markedly following a suicide bombing outside a Moscow subway station on Tuesday night that killed 10 people and injured more than 50 and last week's near-simultaneous crashes of two Russian airliners, killing a total of 90 people, that officials say were terrorist bombings.

The attacks bracketed Sunday's presidential elections in Chechnya, a Kremlin-baked move aimed at undermining support for the insurgents by establishing a modicum of civil order in the war-shattered republic.

Fears that the Chechen rebels aimed to export their fight outside the small republic's borders rose in June after insurgents launched a coordinated series of attacks on police facilities in neighboring Ingushetia, in which more than 90 people were killed.

In a videotape released several days after the attack, a man appearing to be Basayev claimed responsibility for the assaults and said his fighters had seized huge quantities of arms from police arsenals.


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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 05:46 am
Update summary

The assailants use children as human shields, but later they removed the children.

Already at least 2 dead on battle in front of the house.

Demand at first: Release from all fighter from Cechnya and withdraw of the Russian troops.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 06:09 am
flash:
15 children had been released
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:04 am
Just concerning your headline Thok: I seriously doubt whether these terrorists are real Chechens, or Wahhabists fighting in Chechnya against what they believe is the Russian oppressor. I learned there is a difference after I read a book about the conflict by - I guess her name was - Anne Nuvat (or something like that), a French journalist.

For the rest: keep doing the good work Thok Smile
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:11 am
Her name is Anne Nivat. I know she, but I not read until now her book.


So what have she said about this in general?





Rick d'Israeli wrote:

For the rest: keep doing the good work Thok



well,well.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:22 am
Anne Nivat, yes. Well, in a nutshell, she said that there are basically three to four fighting parties in Chechnya: the Russian Army, the "normal" Chechen rebels - who want independence from Russia -, and the Wahhabists, mostly foreign Muslim fighters from the Middle East, although there are more and more Chechens joining their ranks. The fourth fighting party could be seen as Chechens, backed by Russia, fighting the others. Now, Anne Nivat spend some time in Chechnya - illegally, because she was not permitted to enter Chechnya. What she noticed, was that the average Chechen hated Russians as much as what they saw as "foreign scumbags" - the Wahhabists. Although Chechens are Muslims, the way of Islam they follow is considerably moderate, influenced by traditional beliefs. They could not identify themselves with the so-called "Muslim brothers" (Wahhabists) who came to Chechnya to "save their Muslim brothers and sisters" (the Chechens), and who were actually making the conflict to escalate, because they did not - and do not - want to talk with the Russian government. In a nutshell.
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:46 am
Really interesting, but also apparent. It is still the Russia-Cechnya conflict.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:49 am
Well, my point was, that it could indeed be part of the Russian-Chechnyan conflict, but the people who have done these things could as well be non-Chechens. Maybe I'm whining too much Confused
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Thok
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:55 am
Rick d'Israeli wrote:
Maybe I'm whining too much


yes :wink:

Because on your before last post, do you have this opinion not mentioned.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 08:56 am
Embarrassed Sorry ...
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Thok
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 01:29 am
Day 2 on the school siege and authorities hold preliminary talks with the rebels.
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Thok
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 05:58 am
Now it will be serious, because two explosions were heard one inside, the other outside the building.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 06:37 am
This is serious all the time - in my opinion, at least.

Still unclear, if two (CNN/AP) or three explosions ( gaseta.ru/ITERTASS), cars burning (AFP) ...
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Thok
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 06:39 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
This is serious all the time


yes, but now really dangerous for the hostages and relatives as well as all people around.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 06:43 am
Thok wrote:
Walter Hinteler wrote:
This is serious all the time


yes, but now really dangerous for the hostages and relatives as well as all people around.


Question Up to 12 persons are shot until now and that's not serious???

(Even at the beginning, there had been three persons shot in the head, one of them a father, who tried to save his children.)
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Thok
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 06:52 am
er, well, sorry.
As recently as now there is the information that between 7 and 16 are killed.
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Thok
 
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Reply Thu 2 Sep, 2004 06:59 am
The drama goes ahead.

Now there are 3 women and 3 children freed.
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