What does Kerry offer?

Re: What does Kerry offer?

1q2w3e wrote:

20 years in the senate with nothing to show for it, and a bunch of lies during the vietnam era.

qualification and proofs, please.

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You guys watch too many Mannix re-runs. Kerry did "marry well". Twice... and his most recent spouse, although not willing to reveal her sources of income, is apparently philanthropic and backs all manner of worthy causes to wit:

WorldNetDaily: GOP convention protests funded by Kerry's wife
... FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN GOP convention protests funded by Kerry's wife Anarchist
'Ruckus Society' trains for blockades, chaos, disruptions ...
www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39502 - 23k - Cached - Similar pages
These lovely folks are civic-mindedly attending the GOP convention at the moment and can't be contacted. Try NYPD-Civic Affairs.

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Says he's got a plan for healthcare for everyone. I'm not sure I should be naive enough to believe him.

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Click on whatever issue you want:

http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html

Joe

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Kerry is another example of a poor Democratic choice. It is true that he does have a platform, Joe, what that has to do with the reality after election is, historically, little.

Dont tread, either you don't read much or your idea of arguing is to force an opponent to restate himself constantly. Boring.

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shaggy, we have to choose between two poor candidates. I do think that Kerry seems to have a true belief in service to one's country and it seems to be contagious. It makes people want to get involved.

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Ok Duck, I don't get that from Kerry at all. I can't imagine a more selfserving approach to an entire life than he has taken, and he seems to not have a position that isn't firmly grounded in public opinion, which is no way to get anything done as Clinton showed.

I tend to take things too personally, but I hate the thought of rewarding Kerry with what he so much wants and, to my mind, does not deserve at all.

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other than not being Bush, what does Kerry have to offer?

Isn't this like saying...

"Other than not dying from cancer, why shouldn't I smoke?"

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shaggydog wrote:

Ok Duck, I don't get that from Kerry at all. I can't imagine a more selfserving approach to an entire life than he has taken, and he seems to not have a position that isn't firmly grounded in public opinion, which is no way to get anything done as Clinton showed.

You mean self-serving because he was building a career? And do you mean that Clinton couldn't get anything done because his positions were grounded on public opinion or that he got things done because his positions were not grounded on public opinion?

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I tend to take things too personally, but I hate the thought of rewarding Kerry with what he so much wants and, to my mind, does not deserve at all.

I hate the thought of rewarding either one of them with what they so much want. Maybe I take things too personally, but the current pres seems to me someone who has been rewarded his entire life undeservedly. Even to this day people make excuses for him. Maybe I just see him like that because I am very close to someone who I think is exactly like him and I don't think he should ever have any sort of power over anything or anyone.

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Well coiffed hair?

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I mean selfserving because of the marriages, the personal photographer he has had since the 60's, the orchestrated Vietnam service, the broad slanders against servicemen, the lack of leadership in the Senate (why ruffle feathers when you have a job for life?), and his failure to resign the Senate while running, as most have done.

Clinton tried to govern with poll numbers, and ended up being ineffectual, imo. Kerry is cut from the same cloth, I think. Public opinion is fleeting, and public policy, once set, sometimes has to fly in the face of it.

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the lack of leadership in the Senate

Kerry personally sponsored over 57 bills which have passed during his time in the Senate. That's a hell of a more than most senators. Kerry was one of the first senators to probe and uncover the Iran-Contra scandal. Truthfully, do you actually know anything he did in the Senate, or are you just repeating the party line?

As a comparison on the bills, Cheney passed 2, Bushat the time of his election? 0. But he did manage to run Texas' economy into the ground before he left; he started his term in Texas with a surplus and ended with massive defecits. Sound familiar?

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Clinton tried to govern with poll numbers, and ended up being ineffectual, imo.

He got re-elected and passed more legislation, with a house controlled by the opposite party, than Bush ever dreamed of. How is he ineffectual?

Cycloptichorn

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What does Kerry offer?

A continuation of the Dem losses in all the nationwide and most statehouse elections in this decade.

Offering a Nanny government just will not work with an America that still believes the citizens thereof should accept responsibility for their own domestic welfare and rely on the government to provide only that mandated by the Constitution.

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It's no surprise that Reupblicans are winning elections in the new Century, thanks to 9/11 and the scare tactics they use in order to manipulate the voters.

Your 'nanny government' seemed to work okay for all those prosperous years during Clinton's term.

Cycloptichorn

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"Personally sponsored" means his name is on it, easy to do. He did start the investigation of Iran Contra, and also teamed with McCain to investigate POW's, a good thing. I am repeating the party line, and I do know what his record is.

Name some of Clinton's vaunted legislation, and explain why most of his "legislation" was actually enacted by executive order, subject to overturn, thank goodness, by his successor.

If being reelected counts for something, I expect you will give Bush full credit for his outstanding abilities after his reelection?

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

It's no surprise that Reupblicans are winning elections in the new Century, thanks to 9/11 and the scare tactics they use in order to manipulate the voters.

Your 'nanny government' seemed to work okay for all those prosperous years during Clinton's term.

Cycloptichorn

I disagree. As Michael Moore has said, Clinton was the best Republican President we ever had after he learned his lesson with the healthcare debacle and turned the Congress over to the GOP as a result.

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shaggydog wrote:

I mean selfserving because of the marriages, the personal photographer he has had since the 60's, the orchestrated Vietnam service, the broad slanders against servicemen, the lack of leadership in the Senate (why ruffle feathers when you have a job for life?), and his failure to resign the Senate while running, as most have done.

Being married is self-serving? Do you really believe that he 'orchestrated' his Vietnam service? Did Bush resign the governorship when he ran for president?

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Clinton tried to govern with poll numbers, and ended up being ineffectual, imo. Kerry is cut from the same cloth, I think. Public opinion is fleeting, and public policy, once set, sometimes has to fly in the face of it.

I don't agree. I think Clinton was very concerned with policy and he got a lot of things done. In fact, next to the sitting pres, Clinton is looking better and better every day.

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Kerry personally sponsored over 57 bills which have passed during his time in the Senate.

I couldn't find where they all passed (one website indicated only 4 bills and 4 resolutions passed) but I take your word for it. So many were bills that might be silly to vote against, though, don't you think?

Bills renaming buildings and designating days of the week? I suppose our lives are better now that we have a "World Population Awareness Week", but for what purpose would anyone oppose such a bill? The number of bills may be impressive to some, but the content is not so much, I think.

What I'm concerned with is how he voted on taxes, etc.

Kerry Voted At Least 350 Times For Higher Taxes.

Kerry Voted Against 2001 And 2003 Bush Tax Cuts.

Kerry Voted Twice For Largest Tax Increase In U.S. History.

Kerry Voted Against Major Tax Relief At Least 29 Times.

Kerry Voted For Higher Taxes On Social Security Benefits At Least Eight Times.

Kerry Voted Against Marriage Penalty Relief At Least 22 Times

Kerry Voted Against Expanding Child Tax Credit At Least 18 Times.

Kerry Has Supported Higher Gas Taxes 11 Times.

In 1994 Kerry Backed Half-Dollar Increase In Gas Tax.

Kerry Says He's For Middle Class Tax Cuts, But ...

But In 1995, Kerry Voted For Resolution That Said Middle Class Tax Cuts Were Not Wise.

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