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A Clockwork Orange

 
 
Piffka
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 11:33 am
Uh-oh... that could be trouble... but thanks.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 12:08 pm
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The title "A Clockwork Orange" originally comes from the old cockney saying "queer as a clockwork orange" (back before queer took on a homosexual connotation). Burgess loved the phrase and wanted to write a book using it as the title. He eventually did. "Orang" also means "man" in Malay, so the title is a pun on the original meaning (fruit changed to man) of the phrase.



http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/s/m/sms540/clockwork.htm

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The novel's title alludes to the Cockney saying, "as queer as a clockwork orange," which means that something can appear to be natural, but on the inside it is actually artificial. Burgess's novel explores issues such as the relation between evil and free will, and the state's role in human affairs.


http://www.enotes.com/clockwork-orange/

During the era of the film, aversion therapy was gaining popularity. The film explores the the question of this kind of treatment as relates to free will.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 12:18 pm
As Burgess was a gay man himself, he may have been wittily referencing the saying for that reason also. He wrote some novels involving homosexuality and they were based on varying degrees of an autobiographical content. "Earthly Powers" was the most overt of these books and reestablished Burgess as a great novelist -- he just missed winning the Booker Prize in Books.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 12:41 pm
1. I have always thought that the title refers to modern society's tendency to make an organic life form, Man, behave as though he were a machine.
2. I have heard that one of Kubrick's daughters composed the score to "Full Metal Jacket." I don't know if it is the same daughter who plays Heywood Floyd's daughter briefly in "2001."
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 12:51 pm
It was Vivian Kubrick credited as Abigail Mead. She was also in the movie as the TV camera operator over the grave site. She also played the daughter in the pic phone transmission in "2001."
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 12:53 pm
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I have always thought that the title refers to modern society's tendency to make an organic life form, Man, behave as though he were a machine.



That was exactly my "take" on the title.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 01:04 pm
Straight from the horse's mouth from Tripod.com's Kubrick section:


http://kubricks0.tripod.com/burgesnf.htm
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 01:08 pm
Wendy/Walter Carlos site where there are some MP3's of the score to "A Clockwork Orange."

http://www.wendycarlos.com/index.html
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 29 Aug, 2004 01:15 pm
The soundtrack to "TRON" is also now available -- I'm searching now for a good price:

http://wendycarlos.com/+tron.html
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 02:40 pm
"I cried for myself. Home, home, home. It was home I was wanting and it was home I came to not realizing in the state I was in where I was and had been before."

To me, this is the most ominous line ever from a movie.

There are very few passages I can quote from any book or movie relying only on my memory and this is one of them. This is one of my very favorite films - I'm partial to movies with narrators anyway.
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panzade
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 03:06 pm
nice post boomer
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 03:28 pm
Why, thank you very much, panzade.

I think its just the longing for home - what we all think of as home - and coming to Home - a nightmare place on so many levels - that makes my spine tingle when he says that. I think home, and Home were probably very similar to him really, and that it was no accident that the house was named Home.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 03:45 pm
A startling and poignant thought and one of many in the novel and the movie.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 06:16 pm
Now I've really got the itch to see the movie AND read the book again - it has been years and years for either one.

I'm not one to go searching for "meaning" in entertainment but there is something very Oedipal about the character of Alex (he gets his fix at a milk bar and kills a woman with a giant penis) and the little "Home" speech just drives it all home (no pun intended) for me.

I know his mom and dad appear in the movie and they are very milquetoast so I'm not really sure if my ideas are anywhere near accurate.

Accurate or not, that's my impression.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 31 Aug, 2004 07:53 pm
Welly, welly, well, my M and P . . .
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Canoy
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 09:28 am
Thanks for hijacking the thread! =)

Heroes...well...I can't say I enjoyed it all to much.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 09:34 am
Except that this is "A Clockwork Orange" thread, not a "Hero" thread if that's the film you are referring to.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 09:40 am
(If you post a topic, your need to check in and make you own commentary follows).
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Grand Duke
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 09:47 am
I believe (but may be wrong) that it was banned by Kubrick himself, but only in the UK. Whether he thought we needed protecting where the rest of the world didn't, I don't know!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 1 Sep, 2004 09:52 am
We were obliged to go to a smelly, filthy porno movie house to see it when it was released, because the usual distributors would not show it. It was re-released in some theaters in 1974, with all the sex removed and all the violence left in. It really sucks in that form . . .
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