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Now Bush Wants to Go to Court over Ads!

 
 
Larry434
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:20 pm
While whistleblowers don't make my Most Admired list, no, I do not think the should be put in jail, unless they commit perjury in the process.

And yes, I do believe people who confess to commiting a crime, say murder, should not be given a pass because other murders are being committed, cylop.

Quite logical thinking wouldn't you agree/
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:21 pm
Do you think whistleblowers should all be fired and put in jail?

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Only if they committed the crimes they are blowing a whistle on.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:28 pm
Razz , sofia
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Sofia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 01:35 pm
Great minds, sometimes....
Quite unassailably logical, dear Larry 434.
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Harper
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:00 pm
Larry434 wrote:
Kerry's statement was in pretty simple English which I understand quite well, Duck.

"I commited atrocities....which were a violation of the Geneva Conventions", he said.

And of course, the Nurnberg defense can be invoked, but it won't work because of the legal precedent set in the judgment at Nurnberg.

And no, I do not believe all our military in Viet Nam committed atrocities, but Kerry is the only one I know who has so confessed.


Again, the righties favorite tactic, lying by quoting out of context.
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Harper
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:02 pm
Sofia wrote:
Great minds, sometimes....
Quite unassailably logical, dear Larry 434.


Great minds LOL To thine own self be true!
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kickycan
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:06 pm
I think 527s would be great if they could actually be forced to use facts instead of opinions. Couldn't we have a bipartisan campaign oversight committee that is just in charge of calling "bullshit"?
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Larry434
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:15 pm
Harper wrote:
Larry434 wrote:
Kerry's statement was in pretty simple English which I understand quite well, Duck.

"I commited atrocities....which were a violation of the Geneva Conventions", he said.

And of course, the Nurnberg defense can be invoked, but it won't work because of the legal precedent set in the judgment at Nurnberg.

And no, I do not believe all our military in Viet Nam committed atrocities, but Kerry is the only one I know who has so confessed.


Again, the righties favorite tactic, lying by quoting out of context.


O.K.

SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions..."
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:17 pm
Yes, but the commercials don't show Kerry admitting to this. They show him 'admitting' to torturing and burning people, statements which were chopped from other parts of his speech and hacked together to make the man look like a monster.

Cycloptichorn
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:40 pm
This guy Larry434 sounds a whole like some other bonehead I used to quarrel with by the name of Pragmaticone and BULLDOG.

According to his warped sense of logic, he would agree with Larry434 that since Kerry is the ONLY one to confess to atrocities, that he should take the fall for all the others who've done the same, and most likely worse. This by no way means that ALL Vietnam vets were guilty of atrocities, but Larry434 is more than willing to avoid the deeper core issues behind Kerry's revelatory testimony over 30 years ago, and instead brand him as a war criminal.

This is not only disengenuous, but in the end, it is mearly foolish.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:43 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
This guy Larry434 sounds a whole like some other bonehead I used to quarrel with by the name of Pragmaticone and BULLDOG.

According to his warped sense of logic, he would agree with Larry434 that since Kerry is the ONLY one to confess to atrocities, that he should take the fall for all the others who've done the same, and most likely worse. This by no way means that ALL Vietnam vets were guilty of atrocities, but Larry434 is more than willing to avoid the deeper core issues behind Kerry's revelatory testimony over 30 years ago, and instead brand him as a war criminal.

This is not only disengenuous, but in the end, it is mearly foolish.


Kerry "branded" himself as a "war criminal" Dookie, not me.

I have merely quoted Kerry. Your argrument is with him, not me.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:52 pm
Kerry branded thousands of Vietnam vets war criminals by virture of these actions, as Kerry ALSO had attested to in his testimony. Editing an anti-Kerry ad which basically accuses him of these heinous acts of cutting hands and heads off and accusing him of basically doing NOTHING in Vietnam is just disgusting. And even more so now that the swiftboat stories are falling apart each and every day.

Talk about the real issues, if you so dare. Bush and his many cabinet chiefs never served, and they are known to smear those who have. Perhaps the swift boat lackies went over the line, and now Bush is trying to clump them together with other 527's who actually DO discuss the issues, especially since Bush does not have a grasp on any of them. But he's given the left PLENTY of ammunition in which to criticize his policies.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:55 pm
And George Bush was an absolute chickesh*t for not meeting with Max Cleland, a three time amputee and Vietnam vet.
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 02:59 pm
Larry434 wrote:
Kerry's statement was in pretty simple English which I understand quite well, Duck.

"I commited atrocities....which were a violation of the Geneva Conventions", he said.



Oh good Lord, Larry! The parts you cut out of his statement, which was a direct answer to someone's question, make all the difference in how it is interpreted. Don't get me started with 'creative cut and paste' on George Bush's statements. You won't be happy to see them.

Face it, you don't like Kerry and you are happy to take snippets of conversations from here and there to justify your dislike of him. Fine, but stop pretending you don't understand what he was trying to say. Or maybe you don't actually know what he said.

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MR. CROSBY NOYES (Washington Evening Star): Mr. Kerry, you said at one time or another that you think our policies in Vietnam are tantamount to genocide and that the responsibility lies at all chains of command over there. Do you consider that you personally as a Naval officer committed atrocities in Vietnam or crimes punishable by law in this country?

SEN. KERRY: There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.

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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 03:01 pm
And I love your avatar, Dookie.
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Larry434
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 03:03 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
And George Bush was an absolute chickesh*t for not meeting with Max Cleland, a three time amputee and Vietnam vet.


It is a free country, and one can associate with whom they please, Dookie, even the President can do that.

But, if the voters see it as you do, Bush will pay a political price for not choosing to meet with a political adversary.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 03:05 pm
Thanx, FreeDuck. Did it myself. I love the fact that you can post avatar images on this site (I'm pretty new here). I can't wait to use it against the rightwing hypocrisy. You can expect an ever changing rotation of avatar images as I battle the neocons.

And besides, the rightwingers don't have much creativity on their side when it comes to political activism.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 05:10 pm
FreeDuck wrote:
And I love your avatar, Dookie.


Me too! Laughing
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 27 Aug, 2004 11:50 pm
Just curious, here, Dookiestix, are you familiar with the circumstances of Ex-Senator Cleland's wartime injuries?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sat 28 Aug, 2004 01:26 am
timberlandko wrote:
Just curious, here, Dookiestix, are you familiar with the circumstances of Ex-Senator Cleland's wartime injuries?


don't even want to start down this road. you're gonna hurt an awful lot of people that have given up something for america, no matter what the circumstances.

you should do the right thing and stop now.
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