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The LGBT debate.

 
 
Reply Mon 9 May, 2016 05:06 pm
Ok, so I have been watching NC go through the firestorm of debate over their new law requiring people that need to use the bathroom to "show ID " to prove their gender. Essentially, they are being coined a predator class of people. So, I decided to watch Fox news to get their take on the debate. Who else but Pat Buchanon is their guest who turned it into an Obama admin issue and that this wouldnt be an issue at all except for his admin. He kept up with the idea that this wouldnt be an issue except for the Obama admin. Who passed the law? NC. Who make this an issue. NC. Where again is it the Obama admin that started this? And the GOP wonders where Trump came from. He takes the pages out of their book and now its biting them in the ass.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2016 06:14 pm
@Lilkanyon,
I think Buchanan says this, (or the Right says this and Buchanan is following suit), because it is the Justice Department that is interpreting the North Carolina law as a violation of the 1965 Civil Rights law. Buchanan is saying that a Republican Administration would not have an Attorney General who would consider the North Carolina a violation of the 1965 Civil Rights law and therefore would not go after North Carolina.

This process is something the Republicans have had success in the past, they call it "wedge issues". Find something minor like this, (what percentage of the population is transgender? Very small), and build it up so that people get angry and want to vote in the Republican to get rid of the situation.
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2016 06:20 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

I think Buchanan says this, (or the Right says this and Buchanan is following suit), because it is the Justice Department that is interpreting the North Carolina law as a violation of the 1965 Civil Rights law. Buchanan is saying that a Republican Administration would not have an Attorney General who would consider the North Carolina a violation of the 1965 Civil Rights law and therefore would not go after North Carolina.

This process is something the Republicans have had success in the past, they call it "wedge issues". Find something minor like this, (what percentage of the population is transgender? Very small), and build it up so that people get angry and want to vote in the Republican to get rid of the situation.


Im curious (besides the SC decision to legalize gay marriage) that prompted the state to even pass this law which is so obviously bigotted to a small minority of people, who, most of the state legislature never even met. How did this even become an issue? Is there a pervasive problem of transgenders abusing women in public bathrooms? Why did this even happen to being with? Who complained about this that prompted a law?
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2016 06:23 pm
Oh and btw, Loretta Lynch went off about this law today...but Im positive the right will criticize her as being over sensitive about it because shes black and turning it into a 1960's issue they claim its not. It screamed 1960's to me, and I wasnt even born yet.

Lets not forget Bill Oreilly also denies the existance of white privelege.
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Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2016 06:34 pm
@Lilkanyon,
Quote Lilkanyon:
Quote:
How did this even become an issue?


The Right likes to define itself as the defender of traditional American values. Rightly or wrongly, homosexuality was considered scandalous and totally unacceptable behavior until fairly recently-only in the last 25 years or so has it made strides as being acceptable. Transgender is related to homosexuality, so the Right is against rights for them too. To conservatives, it all seems like the government is trying to get them to accept something which traditionally was never accepted, and which has Biblical principles against it as well.

That's why they're making a big deal about it.
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2016 07:02 pm
@Blickers,
Blickers wrote:

Quote Lilkanyon:
Quote:
How did this even become an issue?


The Right likes to define itself as the defender of traditional American values. Rightly or wrongly, homosexuality was considered scandalous and totally unacceptable behavior until fairly recently-only in the last 25 years or so has it made strides as being acceptable. Transgender is related to homosexuality, so the Right is against rights for them too. To conservatives, it all seems like the government is trying to get them to accept something which traditionally was never accepted, and which has Biblical principles against it as well.

That's why they're making a big deal about it.

Smooth, but I know its evangelical over zealous religion prompting this.... Glad you veiled it in "Traditional Americanism" but its not. Its a surgence of religious zealots that complain their "freedoms" are being stomped on. When the Obama admin drags evangelicals out of their churches and burns them at the stake, then they can complain. Until then, America is standing up for the rights we were founded on.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2016 07:09 pm
@Blickers,
NC Governor McCrory has a history of bigotry towards the LGBT community going all the way back to his first forays into politics. McCrory was the mayor of Charlotte for a number of years. When the current mayor was running, she ran with a promise to support LGBT rights, specifically the bathroom bill. McCrory told her it wasn't going to happen. She spent a year with the city council getting the bill the way she wanted and when the city council passed it McCrory pounced, calling a special one day session of the legislature and passing a bill without even allowing legislators to read it. The backlash was immediate so McCrory came up with three lines of defense. First, it was a bunch of liberals in the Charlotte government who pushed through something over the wishes of the good people of Charlotte. Of course the mayor ran on the position and was elected as was the city council and it was a year in the making, so that didn't hold water. Next, he claimed it was a political stunt by he Charlotte mayor and the Attorney General (who refused to defend it in court and is running for governor) to hurt his reelection chances, but again, this was a year in the making and he was looking pretty stupid, plus the convention cancellations and job losses were adding up. Now he's calling it government overreach and mentioning the President a lot. This seems to be where the right wing has settled because it has gotten pretty consistent on talk radio.
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Mon 9 May, 2016 08:06 pm
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

NC Governor McCrory has a history of bigotry towards the LGBT community going all the way back to his first forays into politics. McCrory was the mayor of Charlotte for a number of years. When the current mayor was running, she ran with a promise to support LGBT rights, specifically the bathroom bill. McCrory told her it wasn't going to happen. She spent a year with the city council getting the bill the way she wanted and when the city council passed it McCrory pounced, calling a special one day session of the legislature and passing a bill without even allowing legislators to read it. The backlash was immediate so McCrory came up with three lines of defense. First, it was a bunch of liberals in the Charlotte government who pushed through something over the wishes of the good people of Charlotte. Of course the mayor ran on the position and was elected as was the city council and it was a year in the making, so that didn't hold water. Next, he claimed it was a political stunt by he Charlotte mayor and the Attorney General (who refused to defend it in court and is runnin

g for governor) to hurt his reelection chances, but again, this was a year in the making and he was looking pretty stupid, plus the convention cancellations and job losses were adding up. Now he's calling it government overreach and mentioning the President a lot. This seems to be where the right wing has settled because it has gotten pretty consistent on talk radio.




Right, when someone gets stung, the President is the bee, even though hes nowhere in town. Now that Lynch has come out and essentially berrated the entire country for the bad behavior of NC, she will be the next victim, not for defending the free rights of ALL people, but for being an anti religious, Obama dick sucking Lacky. Wait for it. Its coming.
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momoends
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2016 03:12 am
@Blickers,
romans accepted it, greeks, egypcian, Hindu....
traditionally women should be kept locked at home and some of those biblical principles are: not eating any creature that creeps the earth, not eating pork, not living with a menstruating woman, not wearing anything made with mixed fibers....
so... you are telling me they are still again´t it based on traditions and biblical principles? can´t believe it
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2016 01:12 pm
@momoends,
momoends wrote:

romans accepted it, greeks, egypcian, Hindu....
traditionally women should be kept locked at home and some of those biblical principles are: not eating any creature that creeps the earth, not eating pork, not living with a menstruating woman, not wearing anything made with mixed fibers....
so... you are telling me they are still again´t it based on traditions and biblical principles? can´t believe it


Yep, drag the dark ages out, pick and choose a few passages out of the bible, interpret them accordingly, then victimize a small subset of people that just want to live their lives. Thats about right.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 21 May, 2016 10:07 pm
@Lilkanyon,
Its the christian way.
Lilkanyon
 
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Reply Fri 27 May, 2016 09:07 pm
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

Its the christian way.
. Haha! No better way of putting it!
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momoends
 
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Reply Sat 28 May, 2016 07:09 pm
@Lilkanyon,
that´s what you do. I think i recall jesus saying something like:
'He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first' "
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sun 29 May, 2016 09:33 pm
@momoends,
Where I live we have a bunch of stone throwing christians.
momoends
 
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Reply Thu 16 Jun, 2016 02:14 am
@RABEL222,
sure you do
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