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Oliver Stone: ‘Hillary Has Closed the Door on Peace

 
 
Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 12:28 pm
Oliver Stone Makes Impassioned Plea for Sanders: ‘Hillary Clinton Has Effectively Closed the Door on Peace’
http://www.fantasticword.com/usa/oliver-stone-makes-impassioned-plea-sanders-hillary-clinton-effectively-closed-door-peace/
 
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 12:30 pm
I enclose here (below) several recent articles, which you need to read to understand how difficult a situation we’ll be in if we continue with a harder-line version of Obama. Hillary Clinton has effectively closed the door on peace, blasting both the Palestinian peace process and the Russians in the same week. NATO is her god, the best thing the “exceptional” US has to export in this new “American Century.”
But who set this policy and who controls this country? Her point of view is steeped in the traditional post-World War II, Atlanticist, NATO-domination of the universe. It’s set in stone. No president it seems, no democratic vote, no dissenting media can alter this. We’re going to be in border, resource, and forever wars for the next 10, 20, 100 years, until Trump (who our shadow government will never allow to exercise power) actually said in his straight way of talking, “our cities go bust.” Our media has been drained and made callous by war, increasingly sensationalized by TV, looking for the next high in the next headline, the more outrageous the better. Modesty in American politics is dead — it’s better to be sensational.
Ironically, as they call Trump unelectable (which he is), it leaves you to think Clinton is the “new normal,” in which case you’ve been deceived by the unnecessary dichotomy that Clinton is actually “respectable” in the same way that Eisenhower/Dulles 1950s were respectable when we went about intervening and overthrowing governments in many countries. But the difference was they at least had the brains not to get into shooting wars. To suggest that NATO should’ve expired in 1991 when the Soviet Union disintegrated, I suppose, isn’t questionable anymore. NATO, which has expanded to 13 countries since 1991, must be supported and Clinton has been brainwashed by the neoconservatives to believe it’s about “Russian aggression” when it’s the United States that’s ensuring the greatest build-up on the European borders of Russia since Hitler did it in World War II.
We’re going to war either hybrid in nature to break the Russian state back to its 1990s subordination, or a hot war (which will destroy our country). Our citizens should know this, but they don’t because our media is dumbed down in its “Pravda”-like support for our “respectable,” highly aggressive government. We are being led, as C. Wright Mills said in the 1950s, by a government full of “crackpot realists: in the name of realism they’ve constructed a paranoid reality all their own.” Our media has credited Hillary Clinton with wonderful foreign policy experience, unlike Trump, without really noting the results of her power-mongering. She’s comparable to Bill Clinton’s choice of Cold War crackpot Madeleine Albright as one of the worst Secretary of States we’ve had since … Condi Rice? Albright boasted, “If we have to use force it is because we are America; we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future.”
Hillary’s record includes supporting the barbaric “contras” against the Nicaraguan people in the 1980s, supporting the NATO bombing of the former Yugoslavia, supporting the ongoing Bush-Iraq War, the ongoing Afghan mess, and as Secretary of State the destruction of the secular state of Libya, the military coup in Honduras, and the present attempt at “regime change” in Syria. Every one of these situations has resulted in more extremism, more chaos in the world, and more danger to our country. Next will be the borders of Russia, China, and Iran. Look at the viciousness of her recent AIPAC speech (don’t say you haven’t been warned). Can we really bear to watch as Clinton “takes our alliance [with Israel] to the next level”? Where is our sense of proportion? Cannot the media, at the least, call her out on this extremism? The problem, I think, is this political miasma of “correctness” that dominates American thinking (i.e. Trump is extreme, therefore Hillary is not).
This is why I’m praying still for Bernie Sanders, because he’s the only one willing, at least in the name of fiscal sanity, to cut back on our foreign interventions, bring the troops home, and with these trillions of dollars no longer wasted on malice, try to protect the “homeland” by actually rebuilding it and putting money into its people, schools, and infrastructure.
Albert Camus, talking about the doomed Spanish Civil War in the 1930s wrote, “Men of my generation have had Spain in our hearts. It was there that they learned … that one can be right and yet be beaten, that force can vanquish spirit, and that there are times when courage is not rewarded.” It’s true the light was extinguished for generations in Spain. America was sleeping, but it finally did the right thing and went to war against Fascism. I believe Fascism is still our greatest enemy and its face is everywhere in our so-called “democracies.” It was always about the moneyed interests that had the power. That is what Fascism is and that is the danger we are in now. Sanders talks about money, listen to him. He talks cogently about money and its power to distort. He’s the only one who has raised his voice against the corruption in our politics. Clinton has embraced this corruption.
- See more at: http://www.fantasticword.com/usa/oliver-stone-makes-impassioned-plea-sanders-hillary-clinton-effectively-closed-door-peace/#sthash.j9yzmNVI.dpuf
bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 12:41 pm
Good stuff, I heard about it but hadn't read it yet.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 12:51 pm
Oh well, a motion picture director and producer--surely he's expert in these matters. But we all know that Mrs. Clinton is evil incarnate, eh?
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 02:30 pm
We are already ass deep in generations long war. I am spreading the word to the best of my ability to keep this warmonger out of the White House. It is not a hate Hillary to support Sanders campaign. I would be against her no matter if Sanders were in or out the race. Enough is enough.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 02:32 pm
@edgarblythe,
Yes, indeed, enough is enough--warmonger is a subjective judgment, and for whatever virtues Sanders possesses, his hysterically fanatical supporters are tearing the Democratic Party apart.
RABEL222
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 02:38 pm
@Setanta,
The Bernie people might as well be screaming go Trump.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 02:48 pm
I realize people who supported Obama over her feel guilty and are now moving along with a coronation, because "she deserves it" but she does not, this time, last time or ever.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 05:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

I realize people who supported Obama over her feel guilty and are now moving along with a coronation, because "she deserves it" but she does not, this time, last time or ever.


The people who supported Obama are now supporting Hillary out of guilt. And you get this knowledge from...where?
revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 05:10 pm
@snood,
Kind of my thinking, I feel no guilt whatsoever. I simply feel she is more qualified than Bernie, simple as that for me.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 05:25 pm
@revelette2,
revelette2 wrote:

Kind of my thinking, I feel no guilt whatsoever. I simply feel she is more qualified than Bernie, simple as that for me.

Some Bernie supporters don't seem to respect simple difference of opinion. If you don't agree with them, your motives are suspect, or you're not thinking clearly, or...something. Like in this case, Edgar is ascribing 'guilt' to former Obama supporters - guilt so overwhelming that it is compelling us to push for a "coronation". I can't speak for others, but I've thought long and hard about this election. I care about it, and this country. I really don't like someone telling me that because I don't agree with them, there's something wrong with my reasoning - or my morals (they go there, sometimes too).
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 05:28 pm
@snood,
So many assumptions flying around. Thank you for using "some", Snood. As anyone here on this thread knows, I relate to a lot of Bernie Sanders' points of view. I'm also now iffy on him re governing.

I can't say I like Hillary Clinton as I have some strong displeasures re her, especially explained in that recent ny'ker article, but I have said for years now that I tend to disagree and I will vote for her if it comes to it. No matter how they voted similarly, I take her as hawk, a sort of gleeful one.
I'm more re Obama re the possible wisdom of all that.

People take all this stuff as binary.
It isn't.

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 06:05 pm
This thread is about Hillary Clinton. I realize Stone was making a pitch for Bernie Sanders, but the focus of this thread is about Hillary. I already have one for Sanders.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 06:28 pm
@edgarblythe,
I've never been a fan of his but I don't get to talk?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 07:16 pm
@ossobuco,
Talk away.
snood
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 07:36 pm
Hmmm, that's odd - It usually works when someone tries to control the content of a thread.


NOT!!
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 23 Apr, 2016 09:36 pm
@edgarblythe,
Quote:
NATO is her god, the best thing the “exceptional” US has to export in this new “American Century.”
But who set this policy and who controls this country? Her point of view is steeped in the traditional post-World War II, Atlanticist, NATO-domination of the universe. It’s set in stone. No president it seems, no democratic vote, no dissenting media can alter this.

This Stone character hates freedom and democracy.

To those of us who don't hate freedom and democracy, the idea of an organization like NATO (free democracies banding together with the power to defend themselves) is a positive thing.


Quote:
To suggest that NATO should’ve expired in 1991 when the Soviet Union disintegrated, I suppose, isn’t questionable anymore. NATO, which has expanded to 13 countries since 1991, must be supported and Clinton has been brainwashed by the neoconservatives to believe it’s about “Russian aggression” when it’s the United States that’s ensuring the greatest build-up on the European borders of Russia since Hitler did it in World War II.

NATO is very much worthy of support. It is good when free democracies band together to protect themselves.

Russia invading country after country to prevent them from being free and democratic is indeed aggression.

The military buildup, which came in response to Russia's repeated invasions of other countries, is indeed all about Russian aggression.


Quote:
We’re going to war either hybrid in nature to break the Russian state back to its 1990s subordination, or a hot war (which will destroy our country).

Russia abiding by international law and not invading countries to topple their freedom and democracy, that is supposed to be subordination? Subordination to what? To the system of international law that all countries are subordinate to?

At any rate, presuming we dramatically ramp up our military presence on Russia's border, we should be able to deter Russia from invading any NATO country and thereby we will avoid a hot war.


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Bill Clinton’s choice of Cold War crackpot Madeleine Albright as one of the worst Secretary of States we’ve had since … Condi Rice? Albright boasted, “If we have to use force it is because we are America; we are the indispensable nation. We stand tall and we see further than other countries into the future.”

This gets back to Stone hating freedom and democracy.

Those of us who don't hate freedom and democracy see it as a good thing that the US is the world's lone superpower.


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Look at the viciousness of her recent AIPAC speech (don’t say you haven’t been warned). Can we really bear to watch as Clinton “takes our alliance [with Israel] to the next level”? Where is our sense of proportion? Cannot the media, at the least, call her out on this extremism?

Israel is a fellow democracy and are fellow good guys. The only extremists in this case are the Jew-haters.


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This is why I’m praying still for Bernie Sanders, because he’s the only one willing, at least in the name of fiscal sanity, to cut back on our foreign interventions, bring the troops home, and with these trillions of dollars no longer wasted on malice, try to protect the “homeland” by actually rebuilding it and putting money into its people, schools, and infrastructure.

I believe that Sanders would be just as willing to defend the United States as Hillary is.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2016 01:14 am
@RABEL222,
RABEL222 wrote:

The Bernie people might as well be screaming go Trump.
Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2016 01:16 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Enough is enough.


Get a life, old MAN! Shocked Rolling Eyes
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 24 Apr, 2016 01:20 am
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Talk away.


Yah! and while you're at it, be sure to keep the toilet lid up, to collect all your
sh!t....
 

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