Finn d'Abuzz wrote:That Kerry has felt the need to respond to the Swift Boaters indicates that his campaign, at least, feels their charges are doing some damage.
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Real poor logic there. And a regurgitation of a Repub talking point. Kerry responded because not having done so may have eventually caused damage. Kerry hasn't lost a beat from this and in the long run this smear campaign will actually result in a net gain.
Finn d'Abuzz wrote:
I would suggest that if you find a particular behavior reprehensible in a friend or in yourself, then you might want to reconsider assigning it as a virtue in someone running for president.
Well, I would agree except that this means that I find all politicians reprehensible and so then what? Who do I vote for? I find way more attributes about Bush that are reprehensible to me than about Kerry. Kerry seems to me to be someone who has paid his dues, whether or not his career is one that I would want for myself is totally beside the point.
yahoo news
Quote:"I do not have a single document," Odell said.
Quote:Kerry still carries shrapnel in his thigh from one of his wounds in Vietnam.
So far this had the result of bush being able to catch up with kerry. If this smear tactic has the result of getting bush elected, then we deserve four more years of bush.
Phoenix, how can you even compare the two based on their military service?
Phoenix32890 wrote:I really resent having something presented by a member as non-partisan, whan it obviously isn't. As such, I will have to ignore just about everything that I have read on that site. Now if someone knows about any sites that ARE non-partisan, I would appreciate links to them!
Apologies to all for stretching the thread, normally I'd link to the image, but this is one of those cases where the image resize function would render the link useless unless I explained how to make it full size etc etc
Phoenix
I don't know how much clearer a person could get than that graph that craven put up. All those facts could easily be checked out if one was really interested in glimpsing the truth.
anyone,
The only reason I am even interested in the story has almost nothing to do with Kerry himself but as just another disgusting corrupt example of the Bush family and their politics. I feel we are being led by nothing more than common well connected; well moneyed criminals with a bunch of blind sheep supporting them. No apologies.
Come November if Bush gets elected, I gotta get off this website for my own good and bury myself into other pursuits and let whatever happens happen.
The graph is a nice trick, but it doesn't dispute the testemony of the overwhelming majority of people who served with Kerry who are willing to speak, and who think Kerry unfit for command.
One more time.
What I was referring to was a concept, not a particular. My remark had nothing to do with Kerry, Bush, swift boats, banana splits, or the price of tea in China.
What I was attempting to get across, is that I think that if a site is politically partisan, the material that it presents should not be offered up as a disinterested account.
Craven- Thanks for the chart- That was very interesting (but a separate issue)!
I admire your search for truth Phoenix. Rather elusive these days. Remember that spin website? I liked it a lot. Can't find it.
Just because a site is partisan doesn't mean it lies, it just means it will present facts in a partisan way.
Like the chart, and the swiftboat veterans themselves.
You won't find any impartial source.
Phoenix32890 wrote:Quote:Just because a site is partisan doesn't mean it lies, it just means it will present facts in a partisan way.
This reminds me of an old joke.
I am thrifty
You are frugal
He's a cheapskate!
But the fact is all three save money.
And even at a partisan site the facts are there, if you care to look.
Karzak- Don't want to beat a dead horse, but, unless you really study what you are reading, the tone of a piece affects a person's perception of what he is reading.
Well I'm reading the tone of Karzak's perception and I don't think he's...oh never mind.
You're right Karzak...it's hard to find an impartial source
the only irrefutable fact is that the rightwing nuts will hold on to this swift boat thing no matter what....
searching A2K Politics forum:
A.W.O.L. 262 posts
Swiftboat 48 posts
Who's holding onto what?
