GOP should allow guns at convention

The white populations that go on and on about the 2nd amendment and right to bear arms and all that is purely based of fear of the black man.

The NRA has fed on that and also in the pocket of big gun manufacturers that have huge lobbying power in this country.

Lilkanyon wrote:

The white populations that go on and on about the 2nd amendment and right to bear arms and all that is purely based of fear of the black man.

Nonsense.

Lilkanyon wrote:

The NRA has fed on that and also in the pocket of big gun manufacturers that have huge lobbying power in this country.

More nonsense.

Please tell me the NRA is not financed heavily, if not exclusively by big gun manufacturers!

If the NRA really cared about the rights of all citizens to own guns, why is no black population reached out to to reserve their right to own guns?

Lilkanyon wrote:

Please tell me the NRA is not financed heavily, if not exclusively by big gun manufacturers!

The NRA's power has nothing to do with financing, and nothing to do with gun manufacturers.

The NRA's power comes from all the people who will vote Congressmen out of office if they dare to violate the Second Amendment.

The gun manufacturers answer to the same set of people. If the manufacturers cross us, we boycott them into bankruptcy.

They've learned not to cross

Lilkanyon wrote:

If the NRA really cared about the rights of all citizens to own guns, why is no black population reached out to to reserve their right to own guns?

The NRA is happy to see black people carry guns. It is the NAACP who wants black people to be disarmed.

"Theyve learned not to cross us." Who do you mean?

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You are not honestly using the words of the KKK to prove your point, are you?

I think my point was proven purely by your response.

oralloy wrote:

The NRA's power has nothing to do with financing, and nothing to do with gun manufacturers.
The NRA's power comes from all the people who will vote Congressmen out of office if they dare to violate the Second Amendment.
The gun manufacturers answer to the same set of people. If the manufacturers cross us, we boycott them into bankruptcy.
They've learned not to cross us.

"Theyve learned not to cross us." Who do you mean?

Lilkanyon wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The NRA's power has nothing to do with financing, and nothing to do with gun manufacturers.
The NRA's power comes from all the people who will vote Congressmen out of office if they dare to violate the Second Amendment.
The gun manufacturers answer to the same set of people. If the manufacturers cross us, we boycott them into bankruptcy.
They've learned not to cross us.

"Theyve learned not to cross us." Who do you mean?

The gun manufacturers no longer cooperate with gun control. They know that they will end up in bankruptcy court if they do.

oralloy wrote:

Lilkanyon wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The NRA's power has nothing to do with financing, and nothing to do with gun manufacturers.
The NRA's power comes from all the people who will vote Congressmen out of office if they dare to violate the Second Amendment.
The gun manufacturers answer to the same set of people. If the manufacturers cross us, we boycott them into bankruptcy.
They've learned not to cross us.

"Theyve learned not to cross us." Who do you mean?

The gun manufacturers no longer cooperate with gun control. They know that they will end up in bankruptcy court if they do.

I never said gun makers cooperate with gun control.

gun advocates like NRA who are paid to lobby congress to suppress comprehensive gun safety laws like universal backbround checks

Lilkanyon wrote:

oralloy wrote:

Lilkanyon wrote:

oralloy wrote:

The NRA's power has nothing to do with financing, and nothing to do with gun manufacturers.
The NRA's power comes from all the people who will vote Congressmen out of office if they dare to violate the Second Amendment.
The gun manufacturers answer to the same set of people. If the manufacturers cross us, we boycott them into bankruptcy.
They've learned not to cross us.

"Theyve learned not to cross us." Who do you mean?

The gun manufacturers no longer cooperate with gun control. They know that they will end up in bankruptcy court if they do.

I never said gun makers cooperate with gun control.[/q

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Correct. It was my post that I was explaining.

Lilkanyon wrote:

gun advocates like NRA who are paid to lobby congress to suppress comprehensive gun safety laws like universal backbround checks

We are not paid. The reason why we dominate Congress and block gun control is because we care about freedom and civil rights.

K Trump, the double speak doesnt work on actual intelligent people. Even from one post to the next you are hypocrisy incarnate. Blaming me for bringing up the KKK when you posted the meme, ect, ect...talk me in circles long enough you come out on top. Got your game man, not buying it.

I find the gun/weapon argument intriguing because those that use them the most as a form of self defense is the urban black population. The NRA consistently says that more guns will lessen violence due to guns. I think he compares them to nuclear weapons. If we all have them, noone will shoot. I would sure like to hear from the inner city communities about how they feel about this.

And Im going to let you in on a big secret. The white populations that go on and on about the 2nd amendment and right to bear arms and all that is purely based of fear of the black man. It has existed since the end of the civil war and will always exist. As long as the white man believes a black man will never break into his home because he will have his chest shot out, the belief guns as a necessity will always exist.

The NRA has fed on that and also in the pocket of big gun manufacturers that have huge lobbying power in this country. Only 5% of gun owners are members of the NRA but their lobby power is unpropotional to the thoughts of the average gun owner.

K Trump, the double speak doesnt work on actual intelligent people. Even from one post to the next you are hypocrisy incarnate. Blaming me for bringing up the KKK when you posted the meme, ect, ect...talk me in circles long enough you come out on top. Got your game man, not buying it.

oralloy wrote:

Lilkanyon wrote:

I respect a TRUE need to own guns, not some imaginary boogie man that may or may not break into your house and steal your PS4.

"Need" is a term used by Fascists. Americans have the right to carry guns if we CHOOSE to do so.

Lilkanyon wrote:

Again, use your guns to hunt, and even a pistol on your hip to protect yourself against a rare bear, ok...go ahead and sell me on that. Even those people that need a semi auto to defend farms against wildboar and illegals from the borders. Ok, I will buy that too.

Americans do not have to give anyone a reason for carrying guns. If we
choose to carry them, then it is our right to do so and that is the end of it.

It'd be nice if you gun fucks would be as gung ho about a woman's right to do what she wishes with her own body or with every American citizen's right to vote.

You have the right to this opinion, but it is contrary to America's basic creed. For instance, the Declaration of Independence says:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

It is pretty clear from this document that rights are regarded as inherent and not a gift bestowed, or not bestowed, at the pleasure of a government. The Declaration says that:

The founders felt, and expressed during the founding, the idea that rights are inherent and that they were simply enumerating them. The clearest statement of this is the Declaration. They said, for instance, "we find these truths to be self-evident." They also said that governments which are destructive of these rights should be thrown out.

Yes. But there are some rights that all societies must agree to.

If any society does not agree to these rights, then that society must either be destroyed or be forced to change at gunpoint.

Brandon9000 wrote:

You have the right to this opinion, but it is contrary to America's basic creed. For instance, the Declaration of Independence says:

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Yet those people thought it was ok to own other people. This is just another thing they got wrong, we are not magically endowed with rights by a creator, they are all rights negotiated within our society and this is just a hyperbolic way of saying they believe very firmly in some fundamental rights.

oralloy wrote:

Yes. But there are some rights that all societies must agree to.
If any society does not agree to these rights, then that society must either be destroyed or be forced to change at gunpoint.

This is just an internet-tough-guy way of saying that these are rights you hold dear though.

It doesn't in any way refute the notion that all rights are sociological constructs negotiated by societies.