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did anyone notice?

 
 
swolf
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 08:29 pm
Re: did anyone notice?
dyslexia wrote:
2 more US troops killed in Iraq today which brings the listed total to 957, and now to the go-back-machine and continue your discussion about Vietnam.
but, seriously folks, does anyone notice anymore or is it just like traffic accidents, if you've seen or heard of one, they're all the same?


Have you ever opened a history book? Do you have any idea what kinds of casualty figures were associated even with the relatively miniscule island battles we fought in WW-II?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 08:34 pm
well swolf, they bought me books and they bought me books but all I did was chew on the covers and, as Henry Ford said, History is Bunk. (well, it is to those that died regardless of their numbers)
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 08:50 pm
The "relative" casualty rates won't raise the dead, and do nothing to relieve the heartache of those whose loved ones have died. It is apparently not immediately obvious to so many people on the right that these are real people who are dying, Americans and Iraqis, and that each death wounds the lives of many people. Of course, if one simply sees GI's as cannon fodder . . .
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swolf
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 09:04 pm
dyslexia wrote:
well swolf, they bought me books and they bought me books but all I did was chew on the covers and, as Henry Ford said, History is Bunk. (well, it is to those that died regardless of their numbers)


Let me ask you another question: do you have any idea how many people died in the big battles of WW-II, like Kursk?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 09:22 pm
or perhaps how many people died in the bombing of Dresden? aside from being an inane question, is there a specific number of deaths you have in mind that determine the significance?
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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 09:27 pm
Does it friggin matter? That was WWII. That was a WAR. This is not a WAR, it's an invasion. This was preventable, and our kids are dying. The invasion of Iraq was premeditated, and executed on false grounds.

Why don't you get that?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 09:44 pm
republican methodolgy relies on the "bottom line" also known as the "profit margin." below a certain number is a loss of potential profit, above a certain number is bonus profit. In this case we are talking about lives of men, women and children, but it's still just numbers to some people. That's why they sent others to do the dying while they count the profits. Some people think they are not a number and prefer not to die for someone else's profit. Had I gotten an MBA I would understand this better, but, I didn't.
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swolf
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 09:51 pm
dyslexia wrote:
or perhaps how many people died in the bombing of Dresden? aside from being an inane question, is there a specific number of deaths you have in mind that determine the significance?


The logic of it might most easily be seen in something like Iwo Jima. Something like five or six thousand marines died taking Iwo; nonehtless, being able to use the island for emergency B29 landings and having the fighter escorts able to fly from Iwo is said to have saved something like 30,000 lives amongst airmen.

In the case of the war on islammic terrorism, something like a thousand Americans have died so far since 2002. During the 1990s, no such war on terror was being waged and the price tag for that, the true Clinton Legacy if you will, was having lower Manhatten leveled to the ground, something like 3000 innocent American civilians killed, many either burned to death or jumping to their deaths to avoid burning, and immense economic damage.

Nothing like that has recurred, and I for one believe the actions of our government to be chiefly responsible for that. I'd much rather take my chances with what has actually happened than with what clearly would have been Al Gore's rection to 9-11 had the attempted democrat coup d'etat succeeded in 2000 and he been president:

http://www.nojohnkerry.org/imagemedia/crybaby.jpg
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 12:38 am
I noticed it before it happened.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 07:46 am
swolf seems to continue to believe that Iraq is part of a war on terrorism. LOL! Geeze, read why don't ya? It would clear all of this up real fast for you. Start with the 9/11commission report.
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paultnfz
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:07 am
Re: did anyone notice?
dyslexia wrote:
2 more US troops killed in Iraq today which brings the listed total to 957, and now to the go-back-machine and continue your discussion about Vietnam.
but, seriously folks, does anyone notice anymore or is it just like traffic accidents, if you've seen or heard of one, they're all the same?


I still notice, every time!

Does anyone remember the 3000+ deaths 09112001?

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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:14 am
Saddam didn't kill 3000. That is the issue. Some other guy did. What was his name? I don't seem to recall. I think he was from some other country, though... Not Iraq. Hard to recall since our president doesn't really think about him anymore.
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paultnfz
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:16 am
squinney wrote:
Saddam didn't kill 3000. That is the issue. Some other guy did. What was his name? I don't seem to recall. I think he was from some other country, though... Not Iraq. Hard to recall since our president doesn't really think about him anymore.



Maybe, maybe not, Saddam just killed his own people, by the thousands, that's all. I guess that's ok, right?

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:29 am
Saddam did much of his worst under the patronage of Reagan/Bush. Why are they not considered liable also.
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paultnfz
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:31 am
edgarblythe wrote:
Saddam did much of his worst under the patronage of Reagan/Bush. Why are they not considered liable also.


Oh, so you are one of these that has to blame the Conservative President.

Hmm, let's say I agree.


Shouldn't Bill Clinton take some of the blame?

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squinney
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:38 am
Paul, as mentioned elsewhere, you need to remove your link before you get removed from this site. Just a friendly reminder.

I see revisionist history being made before my very eyes. Some quickly forget the premise of the Iraq invasion.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:46 am
So, it's conservative gets protected, but liberal has to get sucked (pardon the pun) in, eh, paul?
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Harper
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 08:59 am
49 Iraqis were killed yesterday. Well, I guess death is, in a sense, freedom...from life.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 09:06 am
Quote:
Maybe, maybe not, Saddam just killed his own people, by the thousands, that's all. I guess that's ok, right?


Pardon me for saying so...

But it's more ok than someone killing 3000 Americans.

Cycloptichorn
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 22 Aug, 2004 04:04 pm
edgarblythe wrote:
I don't think the press reports it as loudly now that the election's in full swing. The liberal press is afraid Bush might catch the blame.



the liberal press being anyone other than a murdoch outlet?
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