Kerry Bitchslaps Dubya

Brand X wrote:

This is entirely between the Swift Vets and Kerry.

It's personal, because of what he claims to be, but isn't.

The Swifties will handle Kerry and they are doing a fine job so far, all Kerry has done is attacked Bush, he's answered nothing to charges of the swifties and he has avoided it about as long as he can.

If he did get JohnLehman to change the wording for his silver star in the 80's he's toast.

The guy might have a shred of credibility if he had said the same thing about MoveOn.Org and Michael Moore a year ago. But alas, Kerry once again proves he is one pathetic creature.

brand...get it straight. Nixon went apoplectic when Viet Nam vets began protesting the war, and he sent his dirty team after Kerry and others. That's when O'Neill first slithered onto the scene (Dick Cavett show, late 60's). And then, for various Kerry elections, they've funded him again. Now, they've bought O'Neill a wig so he looks a little more presentable. And Rove brought him out to slime John McCain. The Swift Boat Vets didn't even exist until Kerry's run looked likely or possible.

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The Swiftboat Liars are bitter old men who resent Kerry's protest of Vietnam and his success. Anyone who can'rt see this is so stupid or blind, they will probably vote for Bush regardless. Everything keeps backfiring for the desperate Bush. He is toast.

BTW X, Kerry ended his speech yesterday with "Bring it on." Putting out the Swiftboat liars may be one of Bush''s biggest miscalulation yet. It will only play to his ignorant, prejuducied, misinformed base.

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Kerry still has lots of 'splaining to do, he's already had to backpedal on Cambodia and the number of boats that were around at the time of the Rassman rescue and the 1980's mysterious silver star award and why the nine Kerry swifty supporters can only speak to the press with Kerry campaigns permission and why he violated the uniform code when he returned etc.

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O,Neill is still trying to avenge Kerry's making a fool of him on coast-to-coast TV!

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Brand X wrote:

Kerry still has lots of 'splaining to do, he's already had to backpedal on Cambodia and the number of boats that were around at the time of the Rassman rescue and the 1980's mysterious silver star award and why the nine Kerry swifty supporters can only speak to the press with Kerry campaigns permission and why he violated the uniform code when he returned etc.

Nonsense, juxtapose the military records and Kerry wins big time.

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What explaining Kerry might have yet to do is miniscule in relationship to the explaining that you ought to be demanding of Bush for allowing such a venal and slimy attack on Kerry's war record (and McCain's) by Rove while Bush's record is so pathetic in comparison and while he gets himself photographed with soldiers constantly and claims to be a 'war president'.

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Brand X wrote:

Kerry still has lots of 'splaining to do, he's already had to backpedal on Cambodia and the number of boats that were around at the time of the Rassman rescue and the 1980's mysterious silver star award and why the nine Kerry swifty supporters can only speak to the press with Kerry campaigns permission and why he violated the uniform code when he returned etc.

And now we are back to square one which is, what does any of it mean? At the very worst case, if everything bad they are saying about Kerry is true, then he is someone who went to war in order to further his career? I'd take someone who got shot in the ass for their career over someone who did shots on his ass and still had a career thanks to his connections any day.

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Where was all this defense when Bush was being attacked about his alleged absence? It was and continues to be nothing more than a venal and slimy attack on Bush's military record.

I guess it's ok to attack someone as long as they are Republican.

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McGentrix wrote:

Where was all this defense when Bush was being attacked about his alleged absence? It was and continues to be nothing more than a venal and slimy attack on Bush's military record.

I guess it's ok to attack someone as long as they are Republican.

Oh good Lord, that is just ridiculous. The issue of Bush's absence was mostly brought up in the last election. Since Kerry became the nominee, the DNC has been virtually silent on it and on Bush in general. The recent MoveOn add was put out only to counter the Swiftees add. Let them duke it out and let the rest of us focus on the important things.

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McG...that's partly so, but it important ways, these aren't parallel.

One's past service to one's country is a relevant issue. That service can include military or civil service or political service, because one wishes that our politicians arrive in power out of some sense of community membership and responsibility and contribution, rather than merely out of a desire for power, prestige, and perks.

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blatham wrote:

McG...that's partly so, but it important ways, these aren't parallel.

One's past service to one's country is a relevant issue. That service can include military or civil service or political service, because one wishes that our politicians arrive in power out of some sense of community membership and responsibility and contribution, rather than merely out of a desire for power, prestige, and perks.

Then you agree that if Kerry has lied about his past it should be investigated, right?

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blatham wrote:

What explaining Kerry might have yet to do is miniscule in relationship to the explaining that you ought to be demanding of Bush for allowing such a venal and slimy attack on Kerry's war record (and McCain's) by Rove while Bush's record is so pathetic in comparison and while he gets himself photographed with soldiers constantly and claims to be a 'war president'.

How could Bush either "allow" or prevent it?

O'Neill's motivation is entirely believable to me. He was offended at the successful self-promotion, duplicity, and hypocricy of one who had (very briefly) shared his war experience and then went on to loudly condemn it (all while painting himseld as a hero) in a move that very much at the time looked (to me, and I remember it well) like an obvious entree to a future politicqal career. There are such self-promoters in every war, and they generally earn the contempt of those who serve more silently.

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Here's to both sides continuing the "swiftboat" debate. It serves well to keep the attention diverted from actual issues like the economy and war & peace or perhaps international relations vs defense from terrorism. Rave on John and George!

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Thanks for the transcript, just got to here and had to quote:

Quote:

He's NOT?

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dyslexia wrote:

Here's to both sides continuing the "swiftboat" debate. It serves well to keep the attention diverted from actual issues like the economy and war & peace or perhaps international relations vs defense from terrorism. Rave on John and George!

The wisest thing said on this thread.

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blatham wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
Here's to both sides continuing the "swiftboat" debate. It serves well to keep the attention diverted from actual issues like the economy and war & peace or perhaps international relations vs defense from terrorism. Rave on John and George!

The wisest thing said on this thread.

Then Kerry would have been wise not to make his service front and center in his campaign.

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Must be Kerry's fault, yeah. Rolling Eyes

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