Dispatches From DC?

imposter, and i will repeat
imposter,

and i will repeat - how is hussein harming world security (and thus my security)? - he has weapons of mass destruction, he has hidden them and he refuses to disarm. he is a terrorist and a supporter or terrorism, he has killed innocents and will continue to do so. we are at war against terrorism and terrorists. he is the most dangerous supporter of terrorism now that the government in afghanistan has changed.

if any innocent people in iraq perish, it will be his fault, not ours! do you care about the loss of innocent lives murdered by terrorists??

Jim says
Put Al Quaeda aside. That is the main reason we got into the business of fighting terrorism. The actions of Bin Laden, remember him, and the Al.Quaeda. We did not attack Afghanistan to oust the Taliban but to rid that country of Bin Laden.

jim says

Based on that statement we should attack Iran, Syria and any other nation that supports terrorism of which there are several in the Middle East.. Would you be amenable to that?

AU, there are many terrorists in the world!
AU,

there are many terrorists in the world - do you propose we only go after al quaeda and no other terrorists? or do you propose we do nothing and go after no terrorists at all?

Iraq may be the first of several, if need be, and again i tell you, this is war! terrorists attacked our country and attack others throughout the world. this war isn't like past wars where we went after a specific country - here we are seeking out terrorists and the states that sponsor and support them. If we need proceed to other countries to protect american and world security, so be it - but iraq will also be a lesson to other states and groups - we start with the worst and most dangerous!

you didn't answer my questions so ill repost them:

do you deny that hussein has weapons of mass destruction?

the UN agrees they did a few years ago - if they don't have them , where are they and why wont they show what they did with them?

why are they being obstructionist to the process - hans blix said again yesterday that he and his group have not gotten the cooperation requested?

jimnass, FYI, many countries have WMD. They are ALL a threat to world security - including what the US is trying to do to Iraq. You say Saddam is a threat to world security: now prove it. Threats do not count; we are also a 'threat.' What really counts is actual action of violence of one country against another country. Many in this world correctly interprets US aggression against Iraq to be in that vain. Iraq has not threatened anybody in the past twelve years, nor attacked another soveriegn country. c.i.

imposter, the united states isnt a terrorist state
imposter,

the United States isn't a terrorist state - or do you think it is? (i guess you do think so)

also, you didn't answer my question to you - do you care about the loss of innocent lives murdered by terrorists?

not every country that has weapons of mass destruction are terrorist states or a threat to world security - but you have told us that you belive that the united states is a threat to world security. by putting the united states on the same level as a state that has invaded its neighbor just last decade, that has gassed its own citizens and killed one and a half million of them, and has and is supporting terrorism is ludicrous to say the least. iraq's support of terrorism is happening today, not 12 years ago

its apparent to most everyone that hussein is a threat to world peace, the Un security council voted unanimously three months ago for hussein to disarm, did they not? the UN has passed resolution after resolution regarding Iraq because of hussein's actions since the invasion of kuwait - how much clearer do you want it, yet you, lol, say the united states is a threat to world peace.

Jim says.



Your arguments are specious and circular. But let me remind you the question is about Iraq not terrorists. There is absolutely no evidence other than Bush's claim that Iraq participated in the 9/11 terror attack or any of the others throughout the world.

Jin says
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I can neither deny or confirm whether Iraq has WMD. and neither can anyone else. They have yet to find the smoking gun.

I should point out that aside from Britain every other nation in the world is not ready or want the US to take preemptive action. Is the whole world wrong and the chicken hawks in Washington correct? Are we the US telling the rest of the world we are going to attack Iraq for your good whether you like it or not since we are the worlds Judge and Jury?

au1929; "Are we the US telling the rest of the world we are going to attack Iraq for your good whether you like it or not since we are the worlds Judge and Jury?

YES

jimnass, FYI, many countries have WMD. They are ALL a threat to world security - including what the US is trying to do to Iraq. You say Saddam is a threat to world security: now prove it. Threats do not count; we are also a 'threat.' What really counts is actual action of violence of one country against another country. Many in this world correctly interprets US aggression against Iraq to be in that vain. Iraq has not threatened anybody in the past twelve years, nor attacked another soveriegn country. c.i.

jimnass, Yes, the US is a terrorist state if it's willing to kill innocent men, women, and children. What gives the US the right to kill innocent Iraqi's? c.i.

radical!

snood, Do you really think I'm a radical? The Bush administration keeps saying they have nothing against the Iraqi people. Maybe, that was just a slip of the tongue. Killing them is nothing? c.i.

au, read more closely, both your words and mine
au,

you don't seem to be reading, either your words or mine!

you quote my remarks about there being terrorists other than al quaeda and my questions as follows:

There are many terrorists in the world -- do you propose we only go after al quaeda and no other terrorists? Or do you propose we do nothing and go after no terrorists at all?

did you forget that you, in your prior post, you stated:

Put Al Quaeda aside. That is the main reason we got into the business of fighting terrorism. The actions of Bin Laden, remember him, and the Al.Quaeda. We did not attack Afghanistan to oust the Taliban but to rid that country of Bin Laden.


my statement and questions were in response to your remark - yet now you say "But let me remind you the question is about Iraq not terrorists." do you remember that? do you see how my comment is a response to that? additionally, you didn't respond to my questions about the terrorists - perhaps now you will, that is, if you have an answer.

you then state:

Your arguments are specious and circular. There is absolutely no evidence other than Bush's claim that Iraq participated in the 9/11 terror attack or any of the others throughout the world.

You, of course, do not describe how my arguments are specious and circular - please attempt to do so! Also, in no place did i state that iraq participated in the 9/11 terror attack, this is the first time it is raised, so where did that come from? stop trying to use red herrings please. I stated and do so again, that iraq is a terrorist state that supports terrorism, i didn't mention 9-11 at all, please try to read more closely.


then you state:

I can neither deny or confirm whether Iraq has WMD. and neither can anyone else. They have yet to find the smoking gun.

well, au, why do you think the UN is there now? they are wondering where the weapons of mass destruction went - the resolution calls for hussein to disarm, they want to know where the weapons are and for hussein to disarmed - i can understand you not believing america, but you don't belive the UN either? the whole idea of not finding a smoking gun means that the weapons are hidden - they didn't disappear into thin air (wait a minute, were Penn and Teller recently in Iraq? i may have missed that!)


besides britain and the USA, to date, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Australia, Kuwait, Qatar are in overt support of the allied position, with nations like saudi arabia also in tacit support by allowing the allies to use their country to take action - how many more countries do you need? is there a magic number i don't know about?

we aren't the judge and jury - though we can be, the treating ending the war caused by iraq's invasion of kuwait has been violated, but we have more, much more, clear UN resolutions which have also been violated.

is this any more clear to you now? or is this another question you won't answer?

imposter, the person who causes the war is reponsible
imposter,

hussein can prevent the war and thereby prevent any innocent iraqis from dying. based upon you definition, every country would be a terrorist state is , during a war, one innocent civilian perished - is that what you mean to say? because, honestly it doesn't make sense, it would mean in WWII, the allies were all terrorist states. why don't you tell us when a nation could go to war without being a terrorist?

once again, you didn't answer my question to you:

also, you didn't answer my question to you - do you care about the loss of innocent lives murdered by terrorists?

For those interested in a cogent analysis of the REAL reasons we're being impelled into this war, see--

http://www.fpif.org/commentary/2003/0301warreasons.html

Oil and Empire, folks. It's all about Oil and Empire.

Re: imposter, the person who causes the war is reponsible


You call that a question? Get real. Like he's gonna answer "No, I don't care about innocents killed by terrorists!" It's difficult enough to try to debate this war, without this kind of intellectually dishonest (to say the least) baiting.

blacksmithn: very interesting article-thanks

Yes, I found it pretty insightful. A lot of pieces fall into place...

I like your observation, snood. We seem to land on opposite sides way too often, but I usually do appreciate your comments.

I got about 3/4 of the way through it, then skimmed to the end, but if what it says is true, my creepy feeling about this war is validated.

by the way, c.i., I was being tongue in cheek with my "radical" comment

(as in, "Whoa! Radical, dude!")