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Teen girl pepper sprayed in face at Trump rally

 
 
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 03:41 pm
@chai2,
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Also, I personally don't belieive he was laughing in order to calm, appease or explain anything to her.

Thinking someone has groped you sexually, then having that person laugh directly in your face, indeed is inflamatory.


That poor special snow flake. Laughing is inflamatory? I didn't realize that being inflamed gave you the right to take a swing at someone, at a sucker punch at that, she waited till he wasn't looking. If anyone should be facing charges it's the girl who took the swing, not the guy with pepper spray who was defending the guy she swung at.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 04:08 pm
@Baldimo,
It's unfortunate that you can't imagine a situation where laughter aka "laughing at someone" can be inflamatory.

I didn't realize standing next to someone gave you the right to grope them. Or to laugh at them while explaining to them that you didn't.

I didn't realize 2 people having an argument gave a third uninvolved party the right to also become inflamed themselves to a higher extent and pepper spray someone.

There's rights, and there's responsibilities.

It would have been the responsibilty of either of those people to maturely diffuse the situation, not through laughing at someone, or pepper spraying them, but through adult behavior. And to diffuse your perhaps next statement "She started it" To quote Anderson Cooper “Sir, with all due respect, that’s the argument of a five-year-old,”

Of course, your reaction to that could be the same as Trumps "It is not!"

It's fortunate the young woman didn't go into anaphylactic shock over getting pepper sprayed. The sprayer could have had a murder charge on his hands. Then I guess he would be smiling.

chai2
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 04:12 pm
"He started it"

I'm fearful this might be Trumps response before he orders a nuclear attack.

Seriously fearful.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 04:35 pm
@chai2,
Going off topic now, I am constantly amazed any Trump supporter accepts his communication, in as far as it's very much like it's like a 5 year olds.

It's bad enough when you catch a 5 year old with one hand in the cookie jar and the other hand craming a cookie in his face, while mumbling around the food "I'm not eathing cookies!" and then immediately talking about video game or the dog, somehow thinking you'll immediately and forever forget about the cookies.

Like a 5 year old, if you refuse to be diverted, he throws a tantrum. All the better when his other 5 year old friends get involved.

Are so many people that damned stupid?
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 04:44 pm
I'm teaching Trump rhetoric. It is clocked at a fourth grade level.

Hillary, 8th; Bernie, 10th.

Newspapers, btw, used to be at 10th and are now at 8th.

I won't even conclude.

Nerdwriter. A treat I found recently.
https://youtu.be/_aFo_BV-UzI
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 06:33 pm
@Lash,
Very interesting link Lash.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 07:23 pm
@chai2,
I'll say this up front. If she is a minor and thinks she was groped, she should have went to the cops right away, not after she took a swing and got pepper sprayed.

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I didn't realize standing next to someone gave you the right to grope them. Or to laugh at them while explaining to them that you didn't.


They weren't standing next to each other until she moved over there and got in his face. He pushed her back out of his space, which I will point out again that she moved into, and when she was pushed back she decided that he grabbed her breast. Have you seen the longer video I posted a link to? It doesn't seem we are watching anything close to the same video. He put his hands in the air and denied touching her breast. This went on for several seconds and when she continued to yell at him he got fed up with it and turned away. Like a coward, she waited tell he turned away and took a swing at him.

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I didn't realize 2 people having an argument gave a third uninvolved party the right to also become inflamed themselves to a higher extent and pepper spray someone.


You sure do like that word inflamed don't you. Well if someone took a swing at you when your were turning your back, you would appreciate someone stepping up. Do not forget that she took a swing at the first guy. She wasn't standing around handing out flowers in the name of love, she threw a punch.

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It would have been the responsibilty of either of those people to maturely diffuse the situation, not through laughing at someone, or pepper spraying them, but through adult behavior.


Who cares if they were laughing, she didn't have the right to throw a punch. Watch the video again, do you really see the guy touch her boob in a groping fashion? He was pushing her back out of his space, I would say that was an attempt to diffuse the situation.

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And to diffuse your perhaps next statement "She started it" To quote Anderson Cooper “Sir, with all due respect, that’s the argument of a five-year-old,”

Of course, your reaction to that could be the same as Trumps "It is not!"


Looks like you have all the answers Rolling Eyes

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It's fortunate the young woman didn't go into anaphylactic shock over getting pepper sprayed. The sprayer could have had a murder charge on his hands. Then I guess he would be smiling.


I guess she will learn that she just can't swing on someone in public. It's funny, but if one of those Trump supports at the other rallies that had hit someone had been pepper sprayed, you wouldn't be mad at all. You would think they got what was coming to them and you would be correct. I'm surprised you don't see the irony.
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 08:45 pm
@Baldimo,
I came across this interesting statement at http://gawker.com/police-say-teenage-girl-was-pepper-sprayed-and-sexually-1767969494

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As she pushes her way out of the crowd, people yell that she’s a “bitch” and a “goddamn communist nigger-lover.”


Wow! Your kind of people, eh, Baldimo? Rolling Eyes
wmwcjr
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 08:53 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:
Why did you forget to mention that she either punched someone or tried to punch someone in the face before she got a face full of pepper spray? Only telling one side of a story?


As if you're fair and impartial. Rolling Eyes
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2016 09:10 pm
@wmwcjr,
Why are you making this personal with me? Don't be an asshole, I wasn't being personal with you.
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 02:05 am
@oralloy,
oralloy wrote:
I don't think Mr. Trump is openly inciting violence. I think Democratic activists are being violent and then trying to blame him for their violence.


When he says he wants to punch them on stage after one interrupts, and offers to pay the legal bills of his supporters who do I think it's pretty clearly incitement. His campaign manager was arrested for assauling a journalist who was merely following him asking him questions. I'm sure some of the protesters were being disruptive and in some cases may even be violent themselves but here have been a bunch of clear cases of sucker punches and violence at his rallies that are clearly not the result of protester violence. In fact for every video you produce of protesters starting the violence I will produce two of people getting assaulted out of the blue by Trump supporters.

This is, no matter what you think about politics, indefensible. This is something even his supporters should call him on. The violence in his rallies goes to the top, his campaign manager just got arrested for assault and Trump is standing by him.

Trump is both encouraging and tacitly condoning (though he denies actually condoning) this violence. It is absurd because it doesn't actually do Trump's campaign any favors, or the Republican party any favors.

You do not want to be the party where your candidate is advocating violence to protesters, that just is not any kind of reasonable.
Miss L Toad
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 03:07 am



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parados
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 07:46 am
@Baldimo,
When you accused the young lady of lying about being groped you made it about you.

The video starts with her complaining about being touched. The man admits there was contact. The failure of seeing it on the video is to be expected since it happened before the video started.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 10:53 am
@parados,
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When you accused the young lady of lying about being groped you made it about you.


Did I accuse her of lying or did I give a different account of what happened?


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The video starts with her complaining about being touched. The man admits there was contact. The failure of seeing it on the video is to be expected since it happened before the video started.


You are watching the shorter video, try the link to the longer video that I posted, it even has a better angle of the whole event including the "groping" and her attempt to sucker punch the guy when he turned to walk away.

Watch the longer video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg_cuODF5rU
parados
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 11:02 am
@Baldimo,
It's amazing how you can see through the head of the guy wearing the red hat to see where the hands are.

The longer video clearly shows how idiotic the Trump supporters are as they provoke, attack and then laugh and jeer at the protesters being taken away.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 11:21 am
@chai2,
all of this

chai2 wrote:
@Baldimo
It's unfortunate that you can't imagine a situation where laughter aka "laughing at someone" can be inflammatory.

I didn't realize standing next to someone gave you the right to grope them. Or to laugh at them while explaining to them that you didn't.

I didn't realize 2 people having an argument gave a third uninvolved party the right to also become inflamed themselves to a higher extent and pepper spray someone.


it is unfortunate that anyone can think any of these actions were ok

even more unfortunate that anyone else thinks they're defensible


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oralloy
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 07:41 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I've heard some of Mr. Trump's rhetoric. I do not see it as incitement.

I've not done any sort of survey of the violent incidents, but I have a very clear sense that this is a campaign of Democratic dirty tricks, where Democrats are engaging in violence and then falsely blaming Mr. Trump for what they do.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 09:19 pm
@oralloy,
Its really eye opening how many of us see the political world from opposing poles. "Dirty tricks" among the GOP candidates is almost a cottage industry. GOP is like some sect of Islam , who are more concerned with wiping other sects off the face of the earth, then theyll get to the infidels.
McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 1 Apr, 2016 06:47 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Its really eye opening how many of us see the political world from opposing poles. "Dirty tricks" among the GOP candidates is almost a cottage industry. GOP is like some sect of Islam , who are more concerned with wiping other sects off the face of the earth, then they'll get to the infidels.


Right, because only some politicians do it.
Rolling Eyes
 

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