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Difference between into and in to

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:10 pm
Results of a google search for "turn into the road." Now i don't consider a google search to be an authority for English usage. However, this does demonstrate that the locution is routinely used, and by Americans who were foolish enough not to have checked with Glennnnnnn first.
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:12 pm
@Setanta,
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No, it means i'm not obliged to support any claim i have not made.

Translation: I cannot provide any reference to anything that would support my idea that it is acceptable to use both bold-type and italics at the same time to show emphasis.

Furthermore, you also cannot provide any reference to show that "turning into the road" is just as accurate as saying "turning into the road." And when you think about it, how could into mean anything like onto?
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:26 pm
@Setanta,
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Now i don't consider a google search to be an authority for English usage. However, this does demonstrate that the locution is routinely used, and by Americans who were foolish enough not to have checked with Glennnnnnn first.

Here's something from one of your offerings: "After you pull down the house and you drive along the road following the GPS, you turn left onto a normal road . . ."

The links you provided are from internet forums. What did you hope to show with that? You still want to equate routinely used with grammatically correct. That's wrong.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:31 pm
@Glennn,
You have never established your authority to say what is grammatically correct.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:32 pm
@Glennn,
Glennn wrote:
Translation: I cannot provide any reference to anything that would support my idea that it is acceptable to use both bold-type and italics at the same time to show emphasis.


You have not provided any references to support that is is not acceptable. You really crack me up, Grammar Boy.
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:37 pm
@Setanta,
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You have not provided any references to support that is is not acceptable.

There you go again, moving the goal post. Acceptable is not synonymous with grammatically correct. The OP asked which is correct, not which is acceptable.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:41 pm
@Glennn,
So now you are claiming that formatting posts in an internet forum is a matters of grammatical rectitude? Were you paying attention when you read my post?

Oh man, you are endlessly entertaining.

Of course, the sad thing is that you are probably driving English language learners away from this site. That's too bad.
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:42 pm
@Setanta,
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You have never established your authority to say what is grammatically correct.

You must have missed this:

As reported by the NOAD, into has the following meanings:

expressing movement or action with the result that someone or something becomes enclosed or surrounded by something else. (Cover the bowl and put it into the fridge.) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

expressing movement or action with the result that someone or something makes physical contact with something else. (He crashed into a parked car.) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

indicating a route by which someone or something may arrive at a particular destination. (The narrow road that led down into the village.) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

indicating the direction toward which someone or something is turned when confronting something else. (with the wind blowing into your face) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

indicating an object of attention or interest. (a clearer insight into what is involved) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

expressing a change of state. (a peaceful protest which turned into a violent confrontation) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

expressing the result of an action. (They forced the club into a humiliating and expensive special general meeting.) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

expressing division. (three into twelve equals four) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

informal (of a person) taking a lively and active interest in something. (He's into surfing.) Doesn't sound like it pertains to a road.

onto means:

moving to a location on the surface of something. (They went up onto the ridge.) Sounds like it could pertain to a road.

moving aboard (a public conveyance) with the intention of traveling in it. (We got onto the train.)
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:45 pm
@Setanta,
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Of course, the sad thing is that you are probably driving English language learners away from this site. That's too bad.

No. Most anyone knows that your idea that into and onto are interchangeable is ridiculous.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 01:57 pm
@Glennn,
I never made such a claim. So you are adding lies to your repertoire? I'm not surprised.
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 02:03 pm
@Glennn,
NOAD, (which you haven't linked--that's OK, i can find these things on my own) is the New Oxford Americanj Dictionary. Leaving aside that your citations do not unambiguously state that "into the road" is grammatically incorrect, my point has always been that that locution is an acceptable British English usage. You continue to dodge the issue of legitimate uses of "into" with the names of thoroughfares is common in American usage. You're just another typical internet would-be bully.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 02:14 pm
@shindy,
shindy wrote:
He turned in to the road

or He turned into the road

Which is correct?


By the way, this is the OP. So you need to stop telling lies about that, too.
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 02:29 pm
@Setanta,
You've posted the opening post, and yet you don't see that shindy has asked to know which is correct? Okay.

Reporting what is acceptable is not a substitute for what is correct, but I understand why you're hanging onto that like it's a life-preserver.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 02:33 pm
@Setanta,
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I never made such a claim.

Not directly, but most certainly indirectly. It is correct to say "He turned onto the road"--the road being a surface. If you believe that it is correct to also say "He turned into the road," then you must believe that the two words are interchangeable. Think about it . . .
Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 06:53 pm
@Glennn,
What a loon. "Turned into the road" is a British English usage. I know that and i accept that. As i have pointed out repeatedly, you're insisting on some chimerical logic to underpin language. Good luck with that sh*t, Bubba.
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 07:03 pm
@Setanta,
Sorry, but if the word onto is both definitive and grammatically correct, then the word into cannot be. If your point is that if enough people use the wrong word, it becomes the right word, then I would suggest that you're just trying to save face here. But that isn't working. All you're doing now is demonstrating what pathetic looks like.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 07:05 pm
@Setanta,
Are you getting angry, Setanta?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 07:10 pm
No, Bubba, you're not worth it--although like most internet bullies i'm sure you would like to think so.

You continue to ignore that it is a different usage than that with which you are familiar. You continue to ignore--you're continually dodging--the American usages of "into the road," ". .. the street," etc.

But most all, you continue to fail to provide any reason why i or anyone else should consider you an expert on grammar. That being the case, you need to provide an unambiguous source for a claim that "into the road" in grammatically incorrect. You have have not done so.
Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 07:20 pm
@Setanta,
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No, Bubba, you're not worth it

Ah, your words say no, but your participation says yes.

You know, if I told you that your car was blue when in fact it was red, would it bother you. Of course not. So if I tell you that the word into does not have the same meaning as the word onto, why does it turn you into an angry person? Why don't you just rest in the fact that anyone reading this thread will understand that into and onto are interchangeable?

Or are you afraid that if that doesn't sound right to readers, they might think you're making a fool of yourself and that you just can't stop yourself from attempting to salvage some . . . something from this discussion?

You should just let the readers decide if you're correct about into meaning onto.
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Glennn
 
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Reply Thu 31 Mar, 2016 07:27 pm
@Setanta,
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You continue to ignore--you're continually dodging--the American usages of "into the road," ". .. the street," etc.

Yes, you've provided links to forums where John Doe and his brothers use the word into where onto was appropriate. And that was your idea of an authoritative source? As I said, you believe that if enough people use the wrong descriptive word, then it becomes the right descriptive word. That's silly.
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