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Suicide attempts and moving forward

 
 
daveyo
 
Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 03:49 pm
Just wondering what people's views are on suicide. Is there anyway to survive when your mind thinks about it all the time ?, is it really as selfish as people make out ? Life seems overwhelming at times , almost impossible . So why do we continue, knowing the outcome at the end of life will be the same ...we die . I spent many years working for old people in a care home , I would never wish that suffering on anyone . If you aren't happy and things are hopeless why should we continue ?
 
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 05:26 pm
@daveyo,
Dave I'm perfectly serious in recommending such OTC as kava kava, ginseng, Sgt John's wort, 5-htp, and about a half dozen others of similar ilk

In any case hang in there, things can get much better
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Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 05:56 pm
@daveyo,
You probably need some chemical help. Life is a bitch all right not gone paint it rosy but you are being deluded by lack of a chemical in your brain almost certainly. Things will get better but give the step and get serious help. Don't play with life !
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 05:59 pm
@daveyo,
There's a big difference between being enfeebled and terminal in a care home and living regular old life. And the folks in the care home - with no further information, we are left to conjecture as to the level of need. Were they Alzheimer's patients, or just old? Even older folks can and do find life worth living. That's something I'm sure Dale and I agree on. The number of years you've been on the planet can be high, but it doesn't mean the end is better for everyone, in every instance.

People get depressed. It is an illness just like other illnesses. Suicidal thoughts can be a symptom of it, but it doesn't mean that's the solution, the cure. People with depression need care and understanding. If things feel hopeless all the time, I hope you will seek treatment.
Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 06:44 pm
@daveyo,
daveyo wrote:
Just wondering what people's views are on suicide. Is there anyway to survive when your mind thinks about it all the time ?


One thing that can help is to realize that thinking about it (suicidal ideation) is itself something that makes it more likely, and that this is something you have some degree of control over. Try to avoid suicidal ideation in general, you won't be able to avoid it all the time but you can avoid cultivating it.

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is it really as selfish as people make out ?


I am not going to judge all people's suicides in general, but there definitely is truth to the notion that most people have others who care about them that can be hurt and there are studies that it can increase the rate of suicide in other people.

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Life seems overwhelming at times , almost impossible . So why do we continue, knowing the outcome at the end of life will be the same ...we die .


Well if we are going to die anyway and spend the rest of eternity that way why not make the most of the brief moment we have of life? Every movie ends, doesn't mean we should quit them all half-way through.

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I spent many years working for old people in a care home , I would never wish that suffering on anyone . If you aren't happy and things are hopeless why should we continue ?


There definitely can reach a point where taking one's life can mean less suffering than living through pain etc, terminally ill people who are suffering may have good reason to choose that. But a lot of people's lives can turn around and suicide does not give that a chance. In general I think more people consider suicide who can and do turn it around than people who really are dealing with problems that can't be solved so in general I think the reason we continue (or should continue) is that things are not hopeless, even though they might sometimes seem that way.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 19 Feb, 2016 11:08 am
@jespah,
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Even older folks can and do find life worth living. That's something I'm sure Dale and I agree on
Oh boy Jes, and how. These are the very best days of my life

Dave, hear Jes and me

Incidentally, just the realization what a remarkable thing this Universe, with its complex institutions of all sorts, is uplifting in many ways
daveyo
 
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Reply Fri 19 Feb, 2016 02:04 pm
@dalehileman,
I found in certain individuals , in the care home , that many did not enjoy their final days . Most chose to be secluded within their own environment , not wanting to socialise with others . I struggle to find that people find happiness in their final days , especially if their true love from life has already left this world . Dementia , which is on the increase , seems to be the worst thing I have ever witnessed . So yes I'll agree that life in your 80s and 90s can be good .... If and I mean if your genes are kind to you , and you have a loving family. I remember many old women and men did nothing but suffer towards the end and only ever wanted to be reunited with their spouses . People are living older and the demand on carers is increasing .
dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 19 Feb, 2016 05:16 pm
@daveyo,
Yea, Dave, what the world needs is a revamping of our educational systems. Schools teach our kids get the 3R's but not how to live
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Fri 19 Feb, 2016 05:34 pm
@daveyo,
Just my opinion of course, but there are times when suicide might be appropriate. But being 'overwhelmed by life' is not one of them. That's a challenge,. That's just cause to fight back.

The time to think about checking out is when you are terminally bored and can't even think of anything under any circumstance that you would look forward to. Once you get there you do have to think about whether there are any moral problems in it for you. I decided that would not be one for me. Even though I am a theist, I noticed that even Jesus Christ did not let this factor stop him. After all, he did commit 'suicide by cop'.

But here's hoping you find the minimum requirement for living:

Something to look forward to.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 19 Feb, 2016 05:34 pm
@dalehileman,
Most people expect the parents, the church, and school teachers to teach kids "how to live." Unless social services intervenes into the private lives of children with 'bad' or absent parents, kids learn from their peers. Being in the wrong neighborhood could have negative consequences for 'innocent' children. Peer pressure is often times difficult, if not impossible, to overcome.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2016 11:40 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yea Cis, well,put
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 05:11 pm
@daveyo,
Since there are all sorts of potential remedies for depression, it's at least a sad mistake to not try them before resorting to the most extreme.

However the less extreme remedies don't always work for everyone, and then it comes down to much pain the person is in.

Whether or not it's selfish is is difficult to say. It's your life, and if you are at the point where you constantly want to end it, it doesn't seem likely that you are in a position to contribute much to a healthy relationship.

I absolutely think you owe it to yourself and your loved ones to seek medical help. If that doesn't prove helpful you can always come back to this question.

Good luck and all the best.
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think rethink
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 07:58 pm
@daveyo,
after a period of intense group meditation, all the questions will very likely fade
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 02:33 pm
@think rethink,
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all the questions will very likely fade
Oh, I hope not. That's about the point where I'd want to check out.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 04:37 pm
@Leadfoot,
That's the thing, you would.
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