Oregon Standoff Could End Tonight

I could not listen to it all.

a few times last night when I was listening, I was just thinking that he's someone's kid and I hope someone can help him

I read a comment somewhere that said something like "he's a misfit who finally found a group to belong to".

I don't know anything about him but that really strikes me as true.... or, at least, plausible.

I didn't listen to much of the livestream stuff but I did hear a bit where that nutty Nevada council-woman (or whatever she was) was telling him "Everybody now knows who you are! You're famous!" and that kind of thing to keep him from killing himself. It was really.... odd.

ByLAUREN FOXPublishedFEBRUARY 11, 2016, 5:50 PM EST 4697 Views
Just hours after the final four occupiers stepped out of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge and left the property with authorities, the FBI announced that the saga for Harney County wasn't entirely over quite yet.

At a press conference Thursday, FBI special agent in charge Greg Bretzing told reporters, "The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge remains closed, and it will remain closed for some number of weeks."

In the days to come, Bretzing says that law enforcement agents will keep a close watch on the refuge, continue staffing the checkpoints and begin surveying the damage on the property.

"FBI agents are inspecting and securing the buildings and any other areas of concern on the refuge to ensure that no one else is hiding," Bretzing said.

Then, the FBI says it will begin moving through the refuge with "bomb technicians" and members of the Oregon National Guard to "methodically work their way through the property to locate and mitigate any explosive-related hazards."

Bretzing expected that process alone to take a number of days before members of the forensics team could begin gathering their own evidence.

Bretzing also promised that the FBI would deploy their "Art Crime Team" to work closely with the local Native American community to ensure that all of the Paiute Tribe's artifacts and burial grounds had not been disturbed or destroyed.

"Over the course of the last month, the people of Harney County have lived through an experience that is both highly emotional and physically exhausting," Bretzing said. "But, in the time I have been here, I have also seen the deep love that you have for this place you call home—love for the people, the land, and the way of life that makes Harney County so special."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fbi-says-work-continues-for-harney-county

http://www.npr.org/2016/02/12/466512321/during-wildlife-refuge-occupation-fbi-exercised-strategic-patience

I just wonder why it took so long to work out a strategy like that. They could have saved some lives, in the past.

I suspect that they don't announce smaller successes that don't hit the public's attention.

Yes. Likely, we just see a few high profile stories.

The FBI announced they found no booby traps. Which makes sense. Those people would have effectively ended their freedom forever, had they done such things.

I'm somewhat confused about all this. The patience involved is interesting in itself. I get it that the FBI is not your everyday police force/sheriff's office in action, that they have learned their own lessons, and think they may have been wise (or not, wait for more), but hey, these folks are challenging the US government and also the tribe(s) re ownership/possession.

Nearly every day or at least every week, we see black people of what ever age gunned down in the U.S. in seconds, usually in cities, by police.

This seems cockeyed to me. White gun packin' blowhards tenderly cared for.



On the matter of the forest service vs bureau of land management, I've read off and on, and last I read, tended to agree with the forest service, while having a cousin's son working for BLM, though I haven't talked with him in at least a couple of decades. Haven't read up enough, though, lately. In my landscape practice, I was involved in dealing with fire issues galore, but that was now quite a while ago; let's say I'm interested in arguments about all that.
But -------- not takeover.

Sure it's a double standard. But, shooting these people in no way evens the score for shooting innocent black people. Instead of getting tougher with these people, we need to make the law treat the black Americans the same way they treated the "militia."

Let me know a couple of hundred years from now.

Presently they are going after western properties owned by the government. One day they may turn east.

As they say about sex, No means N0.

I'm not saying I wanted these people shot, but the variation in caring/show of force is stupendous.

This was a great time for them to practice their "wait it out" technique. This place is really remote and easily sealed off.

They really didn't plan well either. If they'd waited for nicer weather, or picked some place that wasn't 5 hours from the nearest airport, or a time when people were just getting their holiday credit card bills in the mail, or in support of people who agreed with their message then this whole thing could have been much bigger and much more problematic.

Agreed. I think they expected hundreds at least, maybe thousands, to join them and stand off the FBI.

FEDS FIND EXPLOSIVES, TRENCHES, GUNS AT OREGON PRESERVE
http://abc13.com/news/feds-find-explosives-trenches-guns-at-oregon-preserve/1204172/

Oh brother...

that's a special kind of crazy

KATU-TV reported that Cox’s lawsuit was dismissed after a judge said her claims were “not cognizable in this criminal proceeding and will not be addressed in this case.”

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/05/oregon_standoff_defendant_scot.html





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