Are Blue States Smarter than Red States?

Karzak wrote:

They divided the country by insisting a human in the womb wasn't human at all.

They divided the country by insisting on special rights for gays.

They divided the country by insisting on discrimination as long as it was reverse discrimination.

They divided the country by sabataging military action at the cost of more young men dying.

They divided the country by demanding that religious people be discriminated against.

Trying to Buy votes by penalizing success is just the tip of the iceburg.

Karzak,

Look at the progress that we have made. Do you really want to go back?

Do you think it was right that blacks couldn't go to the same schools, live in the same neighborhoods or even drink from the same faucets as whites?

Do you think it is right the homosexuals could be denied jobs, housing and even physically attacked?

Do you think we should not teach evolution in the schools in spite of the fact that it is universally accepted by the scientific community because of religious beliefs of the powerful.

Do you think we should go back to the time when when women died in back alley clinics because they couldn't get the medical services they needed.

I am proud of the progress we have made as a society. It was because progressive people (almost exclusively Democrats) were willing to let their voice be heard. Republicans have always seemed to be against social progress.

Now we are still moving forward, and you are still opposing progress. You can yell all you want, but look at what we have accomplished. We got our troops out of Viet Nam. We got Nixon out of the White House, and now we even have legal gay marriages.

Sorry buddy. But you are on the wrong side of history.

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e-brown - I love your signature line.

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From my experience "progressive" == socialist/communist. At least that's what it means out here on the west coast. It's not typically associated with the more noble causes you site.

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cjhsa wrote:

From my experience "progressive" == socialist/communist. At least that's what it means out here on the west coast. It's not typically associated with the more noble causes you site.

So left coasters is that true? Or is it true among cjhsa's peer group, which is two different things....let's hear from you....

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No, it's not true. But it's a good example of the simplistic thinking that distinguishes conservative thought these days.

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I offer this up.

http://www.sf-frontlines.com/

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D'art, you can put all the lipstick on the pig that you want...

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You want to talk like a McCarthyite, that's fine, cjhsa. Just to expect all of us to acquiesce.

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Webster:

Main Entry: 1pro·gres·sive
Pronunciation: pr&-'gre-siv
Function: adjective
1 a : of, relating to, or characterized by progress b : making use of or interested in new ideas, findings, or opportunities c : of, relating to, or constituting an educational theory marked by emphasis on the individual child, informality of classroom procedure, and encouragement of self-expression
2 : of, relating to, or characterized by progression
3 : moving forward or onward : ADVANCING
4 a : increasing in extent or severity <a progressive disease> b : increasing in rate as the base increases <a progressive tax>
5 often capitalized : of or relating to political Progressives
6 : of, relating to, or constituting a verb form that expresses action or state in progress at the time of speaking or a time spoken of

1, 2 and 3 are what I think of when I think "progressive."

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ebrown_p wrote:

Do you think it was right that blacks couldn't go to the same schools, live in the same neighborhoods or even drink from the same faucets as whites?

FDR was a Dem, right? Japanese internment mean anything to you?

Hugo Black, successful Dem, KKK member.

Senator Robert Byrd, ditto

In fact, if you cast aside your revisionist history and actually look at facts, you will find that a republican freed the slaves.

How about that!

ebrown_p wrote:

Do you think it is right the homosexuals could be denied jobs, housing and even physically attacked?

Are you saying straight people are never denied jobs, housing or get physically attacked? Cause if you are I want a toke of what you are puffing brother!

ebrown_p wrote:

Do you think we should not teach evolution in the schools in spite of the fact that it is universally accepted by the scientific community because of religious beliefs of the powerful.

I think schools should have open curriculums, not exclusionary ones. Most Dems want to limit the agenda to an indoctrination of the theory of evolution as fact, rather than promote an open discussion of all possible origions of life. That kind of bigotry saddens me.

ebrown_p wrote:

Do you think we should go back to the time when when women died in back alley clinics because they couldn't get the medical services they needed.

There never was a time when committing crimes was safe, was there?

ebrown_p wrote:

I am proud of the progress we have made as a society. It was because progressive people (almost exclusively Democrats) were willing to let their voice be heard. Republicans have always seemed to be against social progress.

Dems stand for a narrow social agenda, any belief as long as it is theirs, that wasn't progress when the church did it in the dark ages, and it isn't progress now.

ebrown_p wrote:

Now we are still moving forward, and you are still opposing progress. You can yell all you want, but look at what we have accomplished. We got our troops out of Viet Nam. We got Nixon out of the White House, and now we even have legal gay marriages.

Nothing to be proud of there.

ebrown_p wrote:

Sorry buddy. But you are on the wrong side of history.

Sorry, but you dems were for slavery, for Japanese internment, for the "Klanbake convention", fillibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which the republicans managed to get passed anyway, and the list goes on.

Don't play your revisionist history here, it won't fly. Try sticking with the truth.

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I think "disease" is quite appropriate, squinney.

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Quote:

But it's a good example of the simplistic thinking that distinguishes conservative thought these days.

Ahhh.... a prime example of hypocritical irony.

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cjhsa wrote:

From my experience "progressive" == socialist/communist. At least that's what it means out here on the west coast. It's not typically associated with the more noble causes you site.

The words "socialist" and "communist" have no real meaning in modern American life. They are simply political slurs-- an excuse to close your mind.

Martin Luther King was called a "communist". Plans that would gaurantee health care for the poor is called "socialist". I don't see either of these things as a negative.

Using these sorts of labels is a sign that you don't have the courage or intelligence to make a real case for your position-- or maybe you position doesn't have the merit. It seems reasonable to make up ones own mind on each issue, with an open mind to arguments of all sides.

Squinney was right. I use the word "progressive" meaning I am in favor of progress on social issues. As far as which "social issues" I would like progress on, you will have to ask me on each one. I don't take to be labeled.

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Great map and info, Charli. Thank you. I will mark and watch as the election nears.

(And, thanks for the early morning entertainment! Wish I could move like that!)

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cjhsa wrote:

From my experience "progressive" == socialist/communist.

Could this mean I'm a Communist? Shocked

Karzak wrote:

Are you saying straight people are never denied jobs, housing or get physically attacked? Cause if you are I want a toke of what you are puffing brother!

The point ebrown_p is trying to make is that gays were denied jobs, housing and were physically attacked BECAUSE they were gay. Have you ever heard of straight people enduring the same suffering back then BECAUSE they were straight?

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Rick d'Israeli wrote:

The point ebrown_p is trying to make is that gays were denied jobs, housing and were physically attacked BECAUSE they were gay. Have you ever heard of straight people enduring the same suffering back then BECAUSE they were straight?

As much as I have heard it happening because they were straight, in fact the only incident of attacking I know of first hand was when a guy I knew got slapped around by a big ol truck driver lesbian for hitting on her girlfriend.

Gays like to pretend they are oppressed when in fact they are not.

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squinney (and "others"?)
squinney (and "others"?) - You're welcome. You've probably already "found out": Move the cursor over the Map! Really neat stuff!!! Enjoy!

Shall we dance? But not around the issues! Smile

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Karzak wrote:

As much as I have heard it happening because they were straight, in fact the only incident of attacking I know of first hand was when a guy I knew got slapped around by a big ol truck driver lesbian for hitting on her girlfriend.

Gays like to pretend they are oppressed when in fact they are not.

Yeah, those lesbians are rough, all right. Be careful out there, big guy!

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