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Laura Bush vs. Science

 
 
Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 03:44 pm
Nice twisting of words Karzak.
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Karzak
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 03:56 pm
By defending myself against your ad hominums I am "twisting words?"

LOL, Isn't it about time to call me a troll again?
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Jer
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 03:57 pm
Karzak wrote:
Rick d'Israeli wrote:
I did not say I know all answers.


No, I said it for you, just like it was said for me.

If you guys want to stop posting substance, and post this crap then I will play right along. At least for a while.


So what's the game Karzak? You don't actually have anything to say? I'm looking through all of your posts on this thread and you've commented on a number of things that others have said, but you haven't really brought anything new to the discussion.

Why are you 'playing right along' when you could be actively contributing? Most of the people on this site are easily swayed by well-supported arguments.

Do you have a point of view or is it just the opposite of whatever a 'liberal' says?

Here are your contributions to this thread:

karzak wrote:
1 - LOL, we are researching stem cells. Who's the ninny now?

2 - LOL, no, I am not excepting you.

Stem cell research has not been reduced under Bush, it continues. If someone can prove that harvesting stem cells from human beings against their will is proper, then we can redress it. For now, however, the proper course is the current one, to wait and see if stem cells actually can do some good.

3 - And you are completely in error. Please try to stick with the facts, OK?

All the stem cell lines currently active can still be employed in federal research, hence there is no reduction in stem cell research.

4 - Like Kerry?

5 - LOL, nothing on topic to say?

6 - You still have not shown any reduction in stem cell research. Can you address this point or not?

7 - Again, show where Bush has reduced the stem cell research. All I see is whining by some researchers about not being able to increase the research on the taxpayers bill.

8 - LOL, I like the way you lable people who don't agree with you a "troll", no doubt you think the motherland needs some cleansing.

You are wrong in your assertion, existing research can continue, it has not been reduced. New frankenstinian manipulation of humans to get new stem cells using public money is all that has been curtailed. Private research is uneffected.

9 - LOL, more lables, how very progressive you are

Disgust at people who trade in human lives for money doesn't equal fear, but I'm sure that goes over your head.

Nazi Germany, they were very left wing, like you.

LOL, you think I'm special, you wanna kiss me....

When you can get back on topic feel free, if all you want to do is continue with assinine labels and misdirection, well, I'm sure you think it reflects highly on you

10 - What qualifies anyone to determine that stem cell research shouldn't be shelved and the money spent on some other project?

Stem cell research is still going on, with public funds, it wasn't eliminated or even reduced by Bush, and most of the people complaining are either the ABB crowd who complain and blame Bush if the sky is too blue, and the people who are hoping for more public money to go their way.

11 - Hardly, it's more like taking grandmas dead carcass and using it as a doorstop. Heck, why not?

12 - Nothing complex about ethics.

13 - Hey, using a dead grandma as a doorstop could lead to important findings as well, give me a big government grant, a few dead grandma's, and 20 years and I'll prove it... Or not.

14 - Yes, you tell him that. If he is smart enough he will agree.

15 - Political discussion. What's yours?

16 - So you don't discuss here? You should leave then

LOL, So I am a happy guy, I guess the libs hate happy guys?

17 - Ah, another guy with all the answers! I'm confused, dis this mean you are leaving as well?

18 - No, I said it for you, just like it was said for me.

If you guys want to stop posting substance, and post this crap then I will play right along. At least for a while.
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Rick d Israeli
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 03:59 pm
The thing I called it a "twisting of words" was because you portray yourself as a victim now, while - if I recall it correctly - you were the one knowing all the answers.

Karzak wrote:
Yes, you tell him that. If he is smart enough he will agree
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Karzak
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 04:21 pm
Jer wrote:

Here are your contributions to this thread:


Good job! I applaud your ability to remove context! Laughing
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Jer
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 05:26 pm
Karzak,

I'm not in any way trying to 'remove context' - if anyone wants to read the entire thread, it's right there to click on.

What I was doing was putting all your contributions into on post so you could read through and see the pattern in which you post.

Have fun.
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Karzak
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 05:40 pm
LOL, you are removing context, don't try to distort your silliness.

Anyone can go back and read my replies in context to get a proper view, those that chose to close one eye at your bequest, well, they are dismissable anyway.
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Gala
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:04 pm
dead grandma as a doorstop-- what the?

if bush suddenly came down with a disease that stem cell research could prevent he would change his tune. and so would his prim, oblivious wife.

as far as i can tell, bush's outstanding affliction, besides arrogance, is alcoholism, which can be remedied by god.
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Karzak
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:24 pm
Gala wrote:

if bush suddenly came down with a disease that stem cell research could prevent he would change his tune.


I doubt it, he isn't Kerry.
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:28 pm
The way Reagan described it at the convention (didn't hear it, but read the speech online) it appeared to me that unfertilized eggs would be used, and the nucleus would be replaced with a cell from the person needing the new organ, skin graft, or whatever they need it to be.

Is this correct? If it isn't fertalized it isn't a baby, fetus, or embryo.
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Adrian
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:38 pm
The most useful stem cell lines come from embryos.

You can get stem cells from other sources but they are not much good for anything but basic study.
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Gala
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:42 pm
karzak, kerry is in favor of stem cell research.

if someone close to you came down with a disease that stem cell research could prevent, would you still feel this way?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:47 pm
I am also against stem cell research, way too many times in my life I have been down to seeds and stems and it's a real drag, give me the ripe buds anytime.
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Karzak
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:48 pm
Stem cell research and cloning research can't cure anything. Applications that research may or may not reveal have the possibility to provide new cures and extend quality of life, as do many new fields being researched.

No, I am not in favor of using humans unwillingly for research, particularly when there are other avenues.

Answer me this, since the Jews that Doctor Mengele expermented on were going to die anyway, and his expermints had the potental to cure, do you support them?
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squinney
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:51 pm
Is stem cell research and development illegal in the US? Or was the decision just that no federal money could be used in the research?

If it isn't illegal, then a whole industry may blossom on its own. Fertility clinics currently in possession of hundreds of thousands of fertilized eggs that will never be used are sitting on a gold mine. Women could sell their eggs and men their sperm for this specific purpose. Sales of the machinery needed would skyrocket. Private medical companies would pop up to deal with the demand.

Best of all, only those that WANT the service or medical benefits would have to deal with the moral delema. That's the consumer driven way of the USA isn't it?
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Gala
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:54 pm
eesh karzak, if that's you on your avatar then maybe it was snapped when someone was using you as a human experiment. if this is the case, then i understand your position entirely.
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Virgil in the Inferno
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:55 pm
" Answer me this, since the Jews that Doctor Mengele expermented on were going to die anyway, and his expermints had the potental to cure, do you support them? "

Actually unless I'm mistaken much of the information and research done by the nazis WERE used after the fall of the third reich. It was a great ethical debate in the scientific community, but they concluded that they didn't want those who died to have died in vain and it would have been better if something came from their tragic deaths.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:55 pm
Dr Mengele was ahead of him time and just misunderstood by the liberal mdeia. Actually He had been informed by reliable intelligence sources that the Jews were "developing WoMD" and were engaging in acts of terrorism and were being harbored by such fiends as the Poles and the French. His actions were only in the national interest. I can only assume that the US agreed and that is why we prohibited the Jewish refugees from coming to the United States.
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Karzak
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 06:59 pm
Gala wrote:
eesh karzak, if that's you on your avatar then maybe it was snapped when someone was using you as a human experiment. if this is the case, then i understand your position entirely.


It's John Candy, a canadian who fled to the US.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Aug, 2004 07:06 pm
Kaarzak, if we had the answers we wouldnt need the research .


"Dr Franklin, DNA is NOT a helix, we dont need further x-rays"
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