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This is truly terrifying.

 
 
Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 06:51 am
There's an article on the front page of today's New York Times entitled "Churches See an Election Role And Spread the Word on Bush"

The author is David D. Kirkpatrick.

The first three paragraphs scared the hell out of me. The fact that there are people like this among us is truly frightening. Read at your own risk.


St. Louis, Aug, 8 -- Susanne Jacobsmeyer, a member of the West County Assembly of God in a St. Louis suburb, voted for George W. Bush four years ago, but mostly out of loyalty as a Republican and not with much passion.

This year, Ms. Jacobsmeyer is a "team leader" in the Bush campaign's effort to turn out conservative Christian voters. "This year I am voting for him as a man of faith," she said after breakfast after an early morning service. "He has proven that he will do what is right, and he will look to God first."

Jan Klarich, her friend and another team leader, agreed. "Don't you feel it is a spiritual battle?" she asked to nods around the table.


I'm going outside now. I need to sit by the swamp and think.

Hopefully, the words of Jan Klarich will cease to haunt me in an hour or so, and I can return to the normalcy of my life.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:04 am
There is no return to normality from this.
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Moishe3rd
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:16 am
Yes, absolutely.
G-d forbid that anyone should have a spiritual or religious motivation for doing what they do.
It is only safe in this world if there is no G-d and no religion.
Then every man can act upon his own, independently formed idea of right and wrong.
What a horror that someone believes that President Bush looks to G-d for his decisions.

The horror.

The horror.
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:16 am
I'm afraid you're right, Dlowan.

The pagans must flee.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:20 am
Hey! First I want to say that I do not care for Bush's religious slant, and the way that he uses it in governing.

Saying that, the Democrats have long curried the black vote, and the union vote, and the votes of other groups of people. Why is everyone getting hysterical about the religious vote?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:20 am
Moishe3rd wrote:
Yes, absolutely.
G-d forbid that anyone should have a spiritual or religious motivation for doing what they do.
It is only safe in this world if there is no G-d and no religion.
Then every man can act upon his own, independently formed idea of right and wrong.
What a horror that someone believes that President Bush looks to G-d for his decisions.

The horror.

The horror.


Aargh - normal christians are ok'ish, Moishe - these conservative ones scare the bejesus out of me. And having a fervent fundy president is way scarier...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:25 am
Well, Phoenix - it is a little late and I am tired - I will tell the truth


The politics of conservative christians are abhorrent to me

similarly with fundamentalist moslems

These beliefs belong in the dark ages of the past - when they were formed

to hell with finesse and care


they spook the crap out of me - and Bush being one of them - and believing he is doing god's work strikes me as insane

that is why
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:26 am
Quote:
And having a fervent fundy president is way scarier...


dlowan-I have to agree about this with you. But the greatness of the US is that there ARE checks and balances, which protect citizens from anything that is too off the wall.

IMO, the reason that the fundies have gotten whatever power that they have, is that they are behaving as a block. It is up to the rest of us to make our own issues known.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:26 am
But I think Gus is joking a bit
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:27 am
Well, I hope your checks and balances work if this drunk on self-righteousness man gets to be at the helm of your colossus again
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:28 am
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The politics of conservative christians are abhorrent to me

similarly with fundamentalist moslems

These beliefs belong in the dark ages of the past - when they were formed


I cannot agree more. But the fact remains that, whether we like it or not, they have the right to expound their views. And it is the obligation of the rest of us not to lay back and allow them to achieve more power.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:30 am
dlowan wrote:
But I think Gus is joking a bit


I think, Gus was thinking?

Are you doing his work now, dlowan, too?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:41 am
Yeah, re: the checks and balances thing -- forget details (can look them up) but this is one of the least balanced administrations in a long time if not ever. Clinton was balanced by a fair amount of Republican power. Etc.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:41 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
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The politics of conservative christians are abhorrent to me

similarly with fundamentalist moslems

These beliefs belong in the dark ages of the past - when they were formed


I cannot agree more. But the fact remains that, whether we like it or not, they have the right to expound their views. And it is the obligation of the rest of us not to lay back and allow them to achieve more power.


Lol! It's your country! I can't DO anything! We in the rest of the world can only fulminate from time to time, and bite our nailses.
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Letty
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:53 am
Believe me, Gus, et al. It's not the religious vote that bothers me, it's the nature of fundamentalism that is spooky. I have seen that side, and it's a "my way or the highway" type thing. We certainly don't want Pat Robertson standing in the wings of the political forum.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 07:59 am
Those who compare the religious fanatic to the union laborer, the representative from the chamber of commerce or the advocate of a charitable organization ignore the very basic difference between these appeals to political favor. The union man or woman, the business people do not seek to tell us what is morally acceptable or reprehensible. They do not seek to define what is or is not perverse; what ought and what ought not to be tolerated in private human behavior, based upon superstitions arising many centuries ago among essentially ignorant people. Surely any political interest group seeks their own advantage in the process. The religiously fanatical seek to impose upon others a world view which a pluralistic, secular state has no business imposing.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 08:01 am
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The religiously fanatical seek to impose upon others a world view which a pluralistic, secular state has no business imposing.


Agree. And it is up to the rest of us to use our voices to ensure that it doesn't happen!
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 08:02 am
You ARE voting for Kerry, then?

:-D

(Seriously, have been interested in your current thinking since the convention.)
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 08:04 am
sozobe- I know what you are getting at. Laughing I don't think that you realize how torn apart I am.

Socially, I despise everything that Bush stands for. Economically, I am more in agreement with Bush than with Kerry. I was not impressed with the Democratic convention. This might go right down to the wire with me.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 9 Aug, 2004 09:27 am
Ah well, there's hope.

The cheesecake I offered to ebrown -- hey, did I offer it to you first? I forget -- is yours for the taking... ;-)

But economically, really? That surprises me. Don't you think things are economically kinda stinky under Bush?
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