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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 10:43 am
I've read up on as much as I can regarding that vs which but I'm still confused in the following context:

Which is correct:

Draw a picture that contains a tree.
Or
Draw a picture which contains a tree.

I realise it can be avoided by saying containing but would like to know which is correct!
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engineer
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 11:00 am
@Adamridley,
This is really nit-picky stuff, but the answer is "That".

A clause with "which" is not essential to the sentence. Since the tree is essential to picture, you need that.

Another example.
The picture which contains a tree is on the wall.
The picture that contains a tree is on the wall.

The first sentence implies that the tree part is just informational. There is a picture on the wall and by the way it has a tree. The second implies that the tree is important. The picture I'm talking about is the one with the tree, not the one with an elephant.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 11:49 am
@engineer,
The picture you mention--which incidentally does contain (show?) a tree--as you can see is on the wall just to your right

The only one showing a tree is posted with the others we've discussed directly in front of you to the upper left

Settling the issue, you'll find a snapshot containing a tree not at your feet but posted on the wall to your left, about in the middle and identified by the label, "See the dog urinate"
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Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 12:27 pm
@Adamridley,
The answer in your specific example indicates proper grammar usage would be 'that':

Pls refer to the following:
http://www.writersdigest.com/online-editor/which-vs-that

Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 12:33 pm
In US English, only 'Draw a picture that contains a tree' is correct. That, whose, who, or whom can introduces a restrictive relative clause, and which, whose, who, or whom can introduce a non-restrictive relative clause.

In the sections of the world where British English is used, both words are equally correct to introduce a restrictive relative clause. Draw a picture that contains a tree; draw a picture which contains a tree, both are equally correct. Restrictive relative clauses can be introduced by that, which, whose, who, or whom, and a non-restrictive relative clause can be introduced by which, whose, who, or whom, but never that.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 12:45 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
I al;ways said that we should use "That" cuz it sounds better.
Now I can sound like I know what the hell Im talking about.
Thankee.
Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 12:48 pm
@farmerman,
Won't folks accuse you of being Professor Limey-Milquetoast?
Tes yeux noirs
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 12:49 pm
@Ragman,
Quote:
The answer in your specific example indicates proper grammar usage would be 'that':

US English only.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 01:02 pm
@Tes yeux noirs,
Ill kick their punk asses if they do. I havent kicked me a punk ass in many a year so I am quite looking forward to it actually.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 01:56 pm
@Adamridley,
Of course Adam "picture which" is alliterative
Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 02:14 pm
@dalehileman,
Wrong. please read the links provided. That is the choice as the suggested grammar.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 02:38 pm
@Ragman,
Rag sorry but you misunderstand. The alliterative, having nothing to do with grammar, is to be avoided in some situations, eg, conversational text
timur
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 02:42 pm
@dalehileman,
In what way is that alliterative?

Good grace, grab a grammar! Then gradually get a grain of grandiloquence or something gratifying..

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Ragman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 02:46 pm
@dalehileman,
I see absolutely no alliteration in OP query.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Fri 8 Jan, 2016 02:52 pm
@Ragman,
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no alliteration in OP

Sorry Rag that's as close as I could come without undertaking a major search in Reverse Dictionary, which incidentally I don't often find very useful

http://onelook.com/?w=alliteration&ls=a&loc=home_ac_alliteration

But I must say you fellas really do get highly technical

http://able2know.org/topic/308067-1
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 06:19 am
@dalehileman,
Sorry, Dale..once again you've totally lost me.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 01:36 pm
@Ragman,
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totally lost me
Again sorry, Rag, but you had objected to "alliteration" as describing anything in the OP, whereupon I explained that perhaps that was the wrong word for a repeated sound in nearby words
Ragman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 01:37 pm
@dalehileman,
oh.I guess the word assonance is what describes what you were looking for.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2016 01:59 pm
@Ragman,
Yes, yes, thank you Rag

http://onelook.com/?w=assonance&ls=a
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