What do you think of the gun control Obama is proposing?

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Upon reading his speech I was surprised that his proposed changes were so minor compared to the backlash. It is largely just things that many prominent Republicans and even NRA folks have already agreed with in the past.

I think the proposed changes should be a nobrainer for pro-gun advocates. It is largely just taking the current status quo and making it work better and closing a few loopholes.

Things like better (universal) background checks should be things the pro-gun lobby is for, they are not really an encroachment on gun rights at all given that they are already supposedly required, just improvements to existing rules and processes on background checks etc.

Do any of the resident A2K gun guys have any real opposition to this stuff? It sounds like what I'd design if I were the NRA and wanted to head off any real changes.

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@Robert Gentel,

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It sounds like what I'd design if I were the NRA and wanted to head off any real changes.

This.

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I have no opposition and don't understand all the brouhaha.

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@panzade,

As a Brit, I think 'pathetic' ! But I suppose you have to start somewhere.

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@Robert Gentel,

Barack does have an incidental insight that deserves exploration, and that's his concern with the psyche. Crime and terrorism aren't directly caused by allegiance to a cause but by the need for aversion, the desire to have fun

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Over 90% of the public and over 80% of NRA members support universal bsckground checks but the gun fanatics who run the NRA oppose them. Yes, they are fanatics. Declare them domestc terrorists now.

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Before I read what has been posted, my opinion is, it is a good first step. It should help some. Stopping the sale of assault weapons has to be next, although I believe the politicians are too mealy mouthed and well compensated to act.

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@edgarblythe,

Obama is actually restoring something that was formerly in the Firearms Laws.
I started a thread about the NIH being restored its charge to collect and analyse gun death statistics and a " 2nd Amendment above all the other Amendments" person claimed that he feared that the govt would create "bogus data".
I find some of these guys merely paranoid.

The 2nd Amendment was created to protect the people AND the Government. Why else mention the need for a "Well regulated militia" as the introductory phrase. Most gunnutz feel that the opening line was there to protect them AGAINST the govt.

I own a small arsenal and I carry on my job whenever Im in deep woods. I do geese hunting which I took up later in life.

Im called a "bleedin heart liberal anti freedom lover" . Gun nutz can often be quite logical in other areas but seem to fly to the mother ship when it comes to this subject.

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

It is largely just things that many prominent Republicans and even NRA folks have already agreed with in the past.

Unfortunately, ^^^ is all in the past. There is an absolute NO mentality to anything proposed by this president. Only time will tell if it carries on with the next one. The right is further right than ever, as is the left further to the left in some regards. Things like "just things that many prominent Republicans (and Democrats) and even NRA folks might have agreed on in the past" are… past.

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@farmerman,

I have not called for getting rid of people's right to a gun. I have not only owned guns, but came within a hair of shooting a few people years ago. But guns designed to kill as many people as possible are in my opinion a big part of the problem. The feeding of gun nut paranoia is to me the biggest problem of all.

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@Tes yeux noirs,

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2016/01/06/obama-gun-proposals-largely-capitulate-to-nra-and-nobody-notices/

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Indeed, in a recent video released by the NRA, Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre reminded us, yet again, that we could better address our gun violence problem by simply doing a better job with the laws we already have.

“Under the existing federal gun laws, [Obama] could take every felon with a gun, drug dealer with a gun and criminal gangbanger with a gun off the streets tomorrow and lock them up for five years or more. But he won’t do it, his Justice Department won’t do it, and the media never asks why.”

LaPierre continued by noting, “No organization has been louder, clearer or more consistent on the urgent need to enforce the federal gun laws than the NRA.”

He is right about that. The NRA is constantly arguing that we do not need new gun laws—we simply need to better enforce the ones we already have.

Apparently, President Obama has been listening.

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@Robert Gentel,

Robert Gentel wrote:

Upon reading his speech I was surprised that his proposed changes were so minor compared to the backlash. It is largely just things that many prominent Republicans and even NRA folks have already agreed with in the past.

You are mistaken about what Mr. Obama is plotting. The Democrats intend to expand the list of people who are prohibited from owning guns until virtually all Americans are on the list.

They started by adding disabled war veterans to the list of people prohibited from purchasing guns. Mr. Obama's current move will expand the list of prohibited people to include disabled people in general.

After that, it is likely that they will ban everyone who wears glasses from owning guns (Democrats take after Pol Pot after all, and that would make a nice tribute to their hero). Then they will start prohibiting people who have a certain eye color or hair color. Eventually nearly all Americans will be on the list of people barred from owning guns.

Robert Gentel wrote:

Do any of the resident A2K gun guys have any real opposition to this stuff?

Very very much so.

I directly oppose adding law abiding citizens to the list of people barred from owning guns.

And so long as the background check system is a weapon against law-abiding citizens, I oppose strengthening the system in general.

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@farmerman,

farmerman wrote:

Obama is actually restoring something that was formerly in the Firearms Laws.

I doubt that. He is requiring small-scale sellers to have an FFL in order to sell, but I saw no indication that he will let those small-scale sellers actually acquire the necessary FFL.

Looks more like an attempt to drive small-scale sellers out of business.

farmerman wrote:

Why else mention the need for a "Well regulated militia" as the introductory phrase.

The first part of the Second Amendment is a requirement that the US government maintain an active militia system so that a militia is always on hand to help the government enforce the law.

The Framers were prescient, and they realized that the enemies of freedom would try to let the militia system waste away and then set up alternative methods of law enforcement not based on the militia.

farmerman wrote:

I own a small arsenal and I carry on my job whenever Im in deep woods. I do geese hunting which I took up later in life.

For now. It is only a matter of time before the Democrats add you to the list of people who are prohibited from owning guns.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

Before I read what has been posted, my opinion is, it is a good first step. It should help some. Stopping the sale of assault weapons has to be next, although I believe the politicians are too mealy mouthed and well compensated to act.

Unless anyone can come up with a valid reason for banning harmless cosmetic features like a pistol grip on a rifle, such a ban is unconstitutional.

And unless anyone can come up with a valid reason for banning harmless cosmetic features like a pistol grip on a rifle, the only reason anyone has for thusly violating the Constitution is because they think it is fun to violate people's civil rights.

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@oralloy,

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You are mistaken about what Mr. Obama is plotting. The Democrats intend to expand the list of people who are prohibited from owning guns until virtually all Americans are on the list.

Well slippery slope argument aside what are your objections to better enforcing the existing laws (if you are selling guns you should be licensed and there shouldn't be loopholes) and improving the background checks?

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@Robert Gentel,

First, the alleged improvements to the background check system involve adding a large number of law abiding citizens to the list of people who are prohibited from buying guns. That is outrageous and unconstitutional.

And second, so long as law abiding citizens are on the list of people who are prohibited from buying guns, the entire background check system is unconstitutional.

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@FBM,

Because, for some reason, CDC determined that seat belts (or their absence) were a disease.

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@roger,

OK, so I checked the CDC website to make sure that they're officially concerned with injuries as well as diseases (they are), and then I forgot what I was going to post here. Hmm. Hate when that happens.

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@FBM,

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The freedom haters make comics like that because they think they can fool people into thinking that they aren't actually out to ban everyone's guns.

Not likely however that anyone is fooled anymore.

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