How to recognize at the universe the real Creator ?

I had to look that up, but yeah, I think I deserve a free pen, at least.

Holy rollers are not here to present 'evidence'. They are here on a self reinforcement exercise served by seeing their ideas presented 'externally' to them, in print. They can then play a personal 'holy writ' game which is another variety of the 'word magic' used in hypnosis, prayer, or communal chanting. The move by meditators towards 'the ineffable' could be seen as recognition and avoidance of that issue.

I don't know the etymology of the appellation "holy roller" (and can't be arsed to look it up right now), but to me it suggests someone who is gambling. They want the jackpot: escape from certain death and instead, an eternity of bliss. They're metaphorically rolling the dice with regards to having chosen the right holy god, the right version of faith in it. Of course, fellow gamblers enable them through the currency of public validation, in exchange for equivalent validation in return. Enablers enabling enablers in exchange for reciprocal enabling. Facts be damned, it's off to the casino.

Good point, but they don't think they are gambling.

It turns out that perhaps I used 'holy roller' inappropriately since it suggests the scenario one who is 'rolling on the floor possessed by the Holy Spirit'. Maybe the term ' web-wise latter day soap box preacher' would better convey my point.

I suspect that deep down, at least at the adult level, they do know that they're gambling. I say this as a former believer. Thanks for the tip on the connotation of "holy roller."

Confirmation @ 01:30:

What can we say about the real creator of the universe ?

For one thing, we can say that someone needs to show evidence that such a thing really exists outside the human imagination.

Your kind of evidence is not possible .
You must try to grasp the theme post (first) - I know that that is incredibly
difficult for this corrupt , ill mankind . But there is only this way .

And why do you reckon that is? Maybe because that god of yours doesn't exist outside your imagination?

I have recognized at the universe that the real creator of the universe really
exists . I know nobody else who could do it .
You are not able , work at yourself .

OK, so you have nothing to support your claim for your creator. Fail. Best of luck in your future.

For you , too . Try to learn about the real creator of the universe .