How to recognize at the universe the real Creator ?

all religions are manmade with manmade Gods .
The TRUE God is the real creator of the universe (more of him is not recognizable .

He and why would he had a sex,,,,,in any case he or it created everything but himself.

I was a very very young child when the logic hole of if there must be god to created the universe cause me to asked who the hell created the god that in turn created the universe.

It is possible (I could do it) to recognize at the universe that the real creator of
the universe really exists .
But that is for this ill mankind immensely difficult ( in the Moment no chance ,
I think)

Again, Den, and forgive an old guy, but doesn't that include yours

All right, I undeerstand if not agree

Sorry Den but this leaves me entirely in the dark. But if I shouldIf I should agree with the former assertion, remarking:

"It seems quite an accomplishment but leaves q's such as,

'Did She always exist before doing that, what was Her motive at the time, did it follow certain earlier motives less convincing, and if so what were they' "

...are you telling me I mustn't ask

Yea Den that'n has always bothered me too; so could you please elucidate

please clear questions and don't Forget do think yourself .
I have no religion . I orientate at the real creator of the universe .
From him is recognizable that he created the universe .
That says much about him - think yourself .

The pantheist would disagree, Den. She still exists of course, the Universe being Her body and all the activity therein Her thinking

Otherwise, I'd still disagree inasmuch as lots of us do believe She still exists so I think we have a language problem

We do not know more about the real creator than I said !
But that is much . For example : our reason , logic , moral is from him , of course .

den I do try, really hard, but if I am unclear you must forgive an 85-year-old. Meantime exactly how can I clarify my position

If I use a few big words it is only to encourage you

I try really hard

You mean Den, don't you, yours is different from all the rest

By "at" I wonder if you don't mean "to". Most Christians would interpret that as meaning that you turn to Her for guidance

...and that's a religion

If you mean, He (She, It) provides us the means to understand Her creation I'm sure most all Christians would agree

What, Den, how, who, me

I'd agree tho the rest of us might not

Christianity if I ever heard it. But I still don't understand, Den, how it differs from your contention

....still think it's a matter of translation

The main point is :
The TRUE God is the real creator of the universe (more of him is not recognizable) . ONLY with the orientation at him there is hope for the mankind . And for that the mankind must recognize at the universe that he
really exists ! In the moment we are immensely far away !

But Den what you've e described is 99.999 percent Christianity

If you mean Den far away from Hope for Mankind I'd agree wholeheartedly. But how have you introduced anything new and if I am understanding you, then how can you say you don't have a religion

from the christianity is perhaps 20 % true - they have recognized from the
creation . But all about God is wrong (besides that the TRUE God is the creator of the universe - their God NOT , he does not exist) .
I have not a Religion like known ! I only orientate at the real creator of the
universe , Out of his existence follows everything logically .

A language thing


By "at" I wonder if you don't mean "to".

......because "orient at" suggests a confrontation

Okay Den but just how has the rest, the 80 percent, deviated

All is from the real creator , but the Christians recognized 20% correctly

Okay Den but I must repeat, just how have the remaining 80% gone wrong

Help somebody, what am I missing here

It is strange that most humans can not just live with not knowing and how we always kept coming up with gods to cover up our not knowing.

When we had no understanding of lightening we turn to the gods who was throwing thunder bolts at each other and from time to time at humans.

Now some of us need to insist that there must be some god behind the creation of the universe just as our ancestors insisted that there was gods behind lightening storms and for the same reason.

An if the answer for how the universe came into being is found at such places as the Large Hadron Collider, at least some humans will still turn to a god the very next time we run into our lack of knowledge.

But turning to god or gods have never never been helpful to the human race understandings of our universe and I question if the gods will ever be helpful in the future.

Well said, Bill

Incidentally I wonder how I've gone wrong trying to interpret Den's assertions

Our (present) problem is that we (well maybe not you and I) build up a frame of reference around the structure and thinking of the humanoid. Thus He is a person capable of creating things, all the time thinking about just what to do next

Read my new topic : HOW IS IT POSSIBLE . . .
What the Christians and all men have recognized , is , what was possible
with reason , logic and moral (from the real creator of the universe) , but
the mankind could do it only a little (till today) .