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Paris Attacks: ISIS or amateurs?

 
 
puzzledperson
 
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Reply Wed 25 Nov, 2015 01:53 am
@FBM,
Good point.

And for that matter, the AK-47 and AK-74 military assault rifles (genuine article rather than the Kalashnikov-style semi-automatic rifles obtainable from gun stores across America) both have fully automatic firing modes, as do numerous other variants. So far I haven't seen any news reports indicating where the Paris attackers' (apparently) semi-automatic rifles were traced to, though the media is full of presumptive references to Belgium. But given the reportedly extensive Belgian weapons trade, their black market connections couldn't have been too deep if this is all they came up with.
puzzledperson
 
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Reply Wed 25 Nov, 2015 03:11 am
@puzzledperson,
Contrast the Cafe Moment incident (Hamas), which destroyed the cafe, with these incidents from the Paris attacks:

"At 9.53pm, a third suicide bomber detonates his explosives on Rue de la Cokerie, just outside a McDonald’s restaurant and 300 metres from the stadium. Apart from the perpetrators, no one else is killed or injured in these two blasts.

"At 9.40pm, a suicide bomber detonates his explosive vest inside Comptoir Voltaire restaurant on Boulevard Voltaire in the 11th District — less than 1km from La Belle Equipe bar.

"The blast is similar to the suicide bombs used near Stade de France. Apart from the dead attacker, one person is seriously wounded while others suffer only minor injuries."

http://m.thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/11/20/what-happened-in-paris/

The same article explicitly describes the rifles as semi-automatic:

"At least two terrorists armed with Kalashnikov-style assault rifles step out and open fire without hesitation on diners at Le Carillon bar and restaurant. The semi-automatic weapons angrily spit out dozens of 7.62 mm calibre bullets, which are normally used in warfare. With shell casings falling at their feet, the gunmen then head across the street and fire on patrons at Le Petit Cambodge, a Vietnamese and Cambodian restaurant."

Despite the ridiculous hype of the article ("military precision", "bullets normally used in warfare"), these are clearly nothing remarkable in terms of either coordination or technique.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Nov, 2015 05:05 am
@puzzledperson,
Once more fully auto weapons is not all that superior to semi auto rifles if at all and surely not enough that it would be worth smuggling in such weapons if there would be a greater chance of being found out if they would do so.

It is hardly any proof or indication that they are amateurs.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 25 Nov, 2015 12:58 pm
@FBM,
Quote:
There are also a couple of ways of converting an SKS to full-auto fire in your basement, if you're not afraid of federal incarceration. That's about all I've got to say about that.


No need to so as you can get near the same results by spending a few hundreds on a replacement stock that allowed control bumping of a semi auto. without the legal problems.

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puzzledperson
 
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Reply Tue 1 Dec, 2015 02:11 am
@puzzledperson,
Well, October 8, the date of France's first air strike in Syria, was (it seems) five weeks, not one week, before the Paris attacks. Let it not be said that I fail to correct fundamental errors in my posts, no matter how bizarre. Wink
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