The warplane which protects Christians:
@Builder,
That's the impression I get as well, basically a 2015 vision of the same thing as a B25.
@gungasnake,
I'm thinking that Prez Putin is playing NATO at their own game, vis-a-vis what they did in Libya with the no-fly zone.
Game of chess at this point in time.
But remember, как Президент Путин сказал, they're only dropping the extreme bombs on the extremist terrorists. They're dropping moderate bombs on the moderate terrorists.....
Quote:Russia apparently deployed for the first time a new, radar-evading cruise missile during its massive Nov. 17 heavy bomber raid on Syria.
The Kh-101 long-range cruise missile, which reportedly packs an 800-pound warhead and can fly no less than 1,700 miles under satellite guidance, has been in development by Russia’s cash-strapped aerospace industry for three decades. Now that it’s apparently combat-ready, Moscow can claim to possess a global strike capability that, before, only the United States possessed.
Russia’s mid-November bomber raid startled observers at least as much as did Moscow’s initial deployment of warplanes to Syria in late September and its subsequent barrage of sea-launched cruise missiles at rebel forces in October.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/19/putin-blasts-syria-with-new-stealth-missile-and-shows-the-world-he-can-strike-from-1-700-miles-away.html
Because American Intel sucks ass. Just one more thing we cant do well anymore.
Donald Trump has stated that he would have no difficulties working with Vladimir Putin. That works for me.
Someone should have taught Ivan how to read a map. The Turkish military, shooting Gunga's butt buddies out of the sky.
Quote:Turkish warplanes are reported to have shot down an unidentified military aircraft near the border with Syria.
A Turkish military official told the Reuters news agency that Turkish F-16s had fired on the jet after warning it that it was violating Turkish airspace.
Turkish media broadcast video footage of a plane crashing into mountains near the border with Hatay province.
Syrian and Russian military aircraft have been targeting jihadist militants and Western-backed rebels in the area.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34907983
Yeah, with an F16, a thirty-five year old American air superiority fighter, versus Sukhoi's newest fighter-bomber, introduced a year and a half ago . . .
@Setanta,
it was an SU 24 (the FROGFOOT). Its also an old plane.
Washington has substantiated the Russian claims of the Turkish hair trigger. This is not going to go well for the Turkey that has facilitated Daesh to great degree and constantly refused to change. I have been over the last year increasingly seeing analysis that Erdoğan is about himself to the detriment of Turkey, and that he is playing with fire to advance his power. ******* with the war against Daesh by picking a fight with Russia is not likely to be a winner for him though.
@hawkeye10,
His anti Kurd, anti Assad, look the other way for IS hasn't done him much harm so far.
Quote:The Turkish general election of November 2015 was held on 1 November 2015 throughout the 85 electoral districts of Turkey to elect 550 members to the Grand National Assembly. It was the 25th general election in the History of the Republic of Turkey and elected the country's 26th Parliament. The election resulted in the Justice and Development Party (AKP) regaining a Parliamentary majority following a 'shock' victory, having lost it five months earlier in the June 2015 general election
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_general_election,_November_2015
@hawkeye10,
Russia isnt exactly hitting ISIL either. They are allowing the ISIL guys to expand by targeting the rebels.
Why arent you scolding them? Are you another Russian wannabe?
@farmerman,
We were possibly going to come to an agreement with Russia over Islamic State in the wake of the Paris attacks.
The US and Russia would have to agree to disagree about Assad of course. But there is room for some sort of arrangement where we accept that Russia supports Assad, Russia accepts that we don't support Assad, and we agree to both attack Islamic State.
This Turkey thing is going to make reaching such an agreement a whole lot harder for the diplomats to work out. Russia is going to want to punish Turkey now. And Turkey is going to threaten to sabotage our fight against Islamic State if we allow that to happen.
Stuff like this is why Mr. Obama fought for so long to keep the US out of this hellhole of a war.
Yes, i was wrong about the plane involved. The Su24 Fencer was first deployed in 1974, a few years before the F16. It got its "baptism of fire" in Afghanistan. Unlike many Soviet design bureaus, Sukhoi made a wide range of aircraft, and have continued that tradition--air superiority fighters (at which they haven't been so good), bombers and fighter-bombers and ground attack aircraft, at which they have done pretty well. By contrast, other design bureaus specialized, and their descendants have largely followed those traditions. So, for example, the MiG (Mikoyan and Gurevich design bureau) has specialized in fighter aircraft, at which they have done pretty well to very well indeed. They did once produce a ground attack fighter, but it wasn't up to the Sukhoi standards, and that was the only such close support fighter (that i know of) that MiG ever produced.
I blame either a faulty early report of the incident, or my increasing presbyopia.
@oralloy,
Quote:Stuff like this is why Mr. Obama fought for so long to keep the US out of this hellhole of a war.
So surprising just how uninformed you can be.
Quote:Jennifer R. Williams: Why would the Turkish military shoot down a Russian warplane?
Steven A. Cook: The Russians have been taunting the Turks. They have violated Turkish airspace on at least two previous occasions. It was humiliating and had the potential to become a political problem for the Turkish leadership. Obviously they felt that they had to protect their sovereignty and believed they had NATO's backing to do so.
Jennifer R. Williams: How could this affect Turkish policy toward Syria?
Steven A. Cook: I don't think it will alter Turkey's approach dramatically. They will continue to support Turkmen, coordinate with select extremist groups, and try to prevent the emergence of "Western Kurdistan." I imagine that the Russians will try to make the Turks pay in some way, but Moscow is already targeting people on Turkey's side of the fight there.
Jennifer R. Williams: What does it mean for Turkish-Russian relations?
Steven A. Cook: Well, it adds a new dimension to relations, which up until now the leaders of both countries have been able to compartmentalize. The fact that Russia supports Assad and Turkey is a leading advocate of regime change in Syria did not disrupt commercial ties, for example. There will be a lot of hot rhetoric from Moscow, especially, and there is a risk of escalation, but cooler heads are likely to prevail.
Jennifer R. Williams: What role do the ethnic Turkmen play in all this in terms of their importance to Turkey and Erdogan's willingness to protect them?
Steven A. Cook: The Turkmen are the card that Turkey plays when it wants to get involved in something or [convince] its allies to do something. Turkey's position on Kirkuk and other Iraq issues were often tied to the Turkmen, though they were just convenient for Ankara.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/24/9792810/russian-plane-turkey-shot-why
Steven A. Cook, the Eni Enrico Mattei senior fellow for Middle East and Africa Studies at the Council on Foreign Relations
Sounds right...and I certainly expect that Obama OKed shooting down the Russians at slight provocation, which is what happened here. That was a mistake, you can never trust Erdoğan to act responsibly.
@Builder,
Builder wrote:So surprising just how uninformed you can be.
I notice that you haven't pointed out a single fact that I am wrong about.