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Why do so many so-called Christians turn backwards to the Old Testament?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 02:30 pm
@Amoh5,
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Do you think disloyalty is good?


It can be, It depends.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 02:35 pm
@reasoning logic,
Lord Jesus was using a parable to illustrate the seriousness of disloyalty, not real life
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 02:50 pm
@Amoh5,
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Lord Jesus was using a parable to illustrate the seriousness of disloyalty, not real life


I understand but in today's time it seems to be a bad choice of words.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 03:04 pm
@reasoning logic,
I think disloyalty to a generous person of authority is a bad choice of actions, but I understand what you mean, maybe there is a nicer way of illustrating this, a less harsher penalty towards his enemies perhaps?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 03:17 pm
@Amoh5,
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maybe there is a nicer way of illustrating this, a less harsher penalty perhaps?


Being we have evolved another 2,000 years we might be able to think of something a little less barbaric to use as an illustration.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 03:54 pm
@reasoning logic,
You keep bringing it back to the same basic charge that God is willing to kill for the sake of his goal. Are you saying that there is no justification for killing - ever? Are you anti death penalty for example?

The question is not whether he is willing to kill, but does his end justify the means. To make a call on that you have to at least have a vision of what that end is. It seems very few are even interested in looking for that. The assumption is that it's just singing and harp playing. I wouldn't kill for that either.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 04:28 pm
@reasoning logic,
Yes I agree but I wouldn't hold a slight issue like this against Lord Jesus
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 04:37 pm
@Leadfoot,
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You keep bringing it back to the same basic charge that God is willing to kill for the sake of his goal.


Yes many leaders have used a God for the sake of their goal. Conquering land and its resources come to mind but isn't that what all the other apes do as well? You might think that humans could do better.

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“Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes. But you shall utterly destroy them: the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you, so that they may not teach you to do according to all their detestable things which they have done for their gods, so that you would sin against the Lord your God”(Deuteronomy 20:16–18,


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Are you saying that there is no justification for killing - ever?


Self defense.

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Are you anti death penalty for example?


Yes I am against putting people to death for their crimes.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 05:40 pm
@reasoning logic,
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Are you saying that there is no justification for killing - ever?


Self defense.

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Are you anti death penalty for example?


Yes I am against putting people to death for their crimes.

OK, that would explain it. But would you include your loved ones in "self defense"? If the criminal intends to kill only the ones you love but not you, that is not grounds for killing?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 05:52 pm
@Leadfoot,
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If the criminal intends to kill only the ones you love but not you, that is not grounds for killing?


If someone is threatening the life of a stranger that caused no harm to the one being violent and I would kill the one being violent but I am not going to another far land and play god.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 06:46 pm
@reasoning logic,
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@Leadfoot,
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"If the criminal intends to kill only the ones you love but not you, that is not grounds for killing?"


If someone is threatening the life of a stranger that caused no harm to the one being violent and I would kill the one being violent but I am not going to another far land and play god.


Ah! For a minute there I thought we were in disagreement.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 09:18 pm
@Amoh5,
Amoh5 wrote:
Read the gospels of our Lord my friend, a great reading on human morality that science or physics will never comprehend
Is this your answer?
A perfect example of the a2k sashay.

I could be wrong, but I would venture to say Smiley has a far better understanding of the Gospels than you.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Sat 12 Sep, 2015 10:11 pm
@neologist,
I think Smiley has a better understanding of speaking for himself than you do. Anyway Smiley and I are not at odds with each other. It was just a friendly suggestion, not an attack towards him
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2015 03:11 am
@Amoh5,
and I took it as such my friend, discussion of scripture should always be upbuilding. We are here to "sharpen the face of one another"

My point was that when you read the gospels, do you hold Jesus to be more righteous than his father? When Jesus told of the judgement exercise that was given him, do you believe he will judge with a fairer hand than his father? Rather, Do you believe that Jesus would have disagreed with the prior judgements of he who sent him?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2015 03:19 am
@Amoh5,
Amoh5 wrote:

In your heart Frank, but seriously you'd be more familiar with the gospels of Lord Jesus since I read your post on your thread about becoming a priest. Cmon Frank own up


Never heard of it. Never...before reading of it in your post.

Where can I find it?
Amoh5
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2015 04:22 am
@Frank Apisa,
I read it on your discussion threads about gods existing or not. I'm not attacking you, just stating what I've observed there.
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Amoh5
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2015 05:11 am
@Smileyrius,
No I don't believe Lord Jesus disagreed with the prior judgements of God who sent him. Lord Jesus is the most honourable and righteous teacher of God that will ever be. And yes I agree as a Christian that it is a blessing having found A2K to interact with other Christians to help reinforce our allegiances to God and Lord Jesus. Not to mention the tests and challenges by non-Christians. I could be on some negative website for all I know, but I found this awesome website to help understand myself as a Christian. I also think we as Christians have to show tolerance, respect and decency towards non-Christians as our Lord Jesus expects us be, especially if we are representing God and him. I try not be rude or disrespectful towards non-Christians so that they can see Lord Jesus is a respectful and loving teacher. I always declare that I don't claim perfection over other Christians or any human being, only that I too have an opinon and go through life's ups and downs like everyone else. I love physics(science) its an awesome topic, but it doesn't explain the human psyche or how to value human life. Not for me anyway. Thanks for your positivity Smiley, you do make us smile even when the dark clouds are upon us.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2015 05:14 am
@Frank Apisa,
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I read your post on your thread about becoming a priest. Cmon Frank own up


Father Frank? I like that.

What is it like?

I can image in the beginning it was similar to waking up like this.

I shortly after arose from my bed, and, as usual, went to the necessary labors of the day; but, in attempting to work as at other times, I found my strength so exhausted as to render me entirely unable. My father, who was laboring along with me, discovered something to be wrong with me, and told me to go home. I started with the intention of going to the house; but, in attempting to cross the fence out of the field where we were, my strength entirely failed me, and I fell helpless on the ground, and for a time was quite unconscious of anything. "I wish I never seen those mushrooms when I was crossing the field.

49 The first thing that I can recollect was a voice speaking unto me, calling me by name. I looked up, and beheld the same messenger standing over my head, surrounded by light as before. He then again related unto me all that he had related to me the previous night, and commanded me to go to my father and tell him of the vision and commandments which I had received.

50 I obeyed; I returned to my father in the field, and rehearsed the whole matter to him. He replied to me that it was of God, and told me to go and do as commanded by the messenger. I left the field, and went to the place where the messenger had told me the plates were deposited; and owing to the distinctness of the vision which I had had concerning it, I knew the place the instant that I arrived there.

51 Convenient to the village of Manchester, Ontario county, New York, stands a hill of considerable size, and the most elevated of any in the neighborhood. On the west side of this hill, not far from the top, under a stone of considerable size, lay the plates, deposited in a stone box. This stone was thick and rounding in the middle on the upper side, and thinner towards the edges, so that the middle part of it was visible above the ground, but the edge all around was covered with earth.

52 Having removed the earth, I obtained a lever, which I got fixed under the edge of the stone, and with a little exertion raised it up. I looked in, and there indeed did I behold the plates, the Urim and Thummim, and the breastplate, as stated by the messenger. The box in which they lay was formed by laying stones together in some kind of cement. In the bottom of the box were laid two stones crossways of the box, and on these stones lay the plates and the other things with them.

53 I made an attempt to take them out, but was forbidden by the messenger, and was again informed that the time for bringing them forth had not yet arrived, neither would it, until four years from that time; but he told me that I should come to that place precisely in one year from that time, and that he would there meet with me, and that I should continue to do so until the time should come for obtaining the plates.

54 Accordingly, as I had been commanded, I went at the end of each year, and at each time I found the same messenger there, and received instruction and intelligence from him at each of our interviews, respecting what the Lord was going to do, and how and in what manner his kingdom was to be conducted in the last days.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2015 05:21 am
@reasoning logic,
An interesting revealation, sounds like Joseph Smith and the stone plates he found.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 13 Sep, 2015 05:25 am
@Amoh5,
It does seem similar.
 

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