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Why do so many so-called Christians turn backwards to the Old Testament?

 
 
Amoh5
 
Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 08:13 am
A Christian is someone who gives their life and allegiance only to God through Lord Jesus CHRIST where the word Christian comes from. However, I find it amazing that a lot of so-called Christians turn backwards to the Old Testament. Is our Lord Jesus's Testament not enough or insufficient? Is he not the teacher of all teachers? Is there another way in the Old Testament where you can get to the Father without Lord Jesus? I stress this issue because it has caused a lot of misinformation about Lord Jesus. Burning people at the stake for witchcraft, that came from the Old Testament not from Lord Jesus. Treating women like obedient slaves came from the Old Testament not from Lord Jesus. Killing, condemning or punishing people for not believing in God came from the Old Testament not from Lord Jesus. But so many so-called Christians claim these acts in the name of Christianity which is so contradictary to what Lord Jesus teaches. No wonder people get put off by Christianity from these so-called Christians who spend their time musing over the Old Testament. They make Lord Jesus out to be some kind of monster associating him with barbaric acts of the Old Testament. I hate it when they rattle off about verses in the Old Testament. I think to myself, why are you going backwards? Are not the words of our Lord Jesus sufficient enough for you? I even hate it when they try and tell me about the Book of Revealations or what other authors have to say in the New Testament. I just simply say to them, if they are not the direct words of Lord Jesus, then I'm not interested. When I give allegiance only to one teacher Lord Jesus, it doesn't mean everyone else in the bible is my teacher, that would be crazy. I'm not claiming perfection over any other Christian or human being. I am merely saying, what part of "No one comes to the Fathet except through me" don't you understand. It doesn't mean Abraham, Moses, Isaiah or anyone else in the bible. Maybe this is the loophole satan was hoping for to ridicule Lord Jesus?(Yes, I am speaking figuratively on the satan phenomenon) In this day and age the character of Lord Jesus is seen as a moral humanistic personality who does not incite hatred or barbarianism towards any human being whatsoever. I am aware that I have added another question to my discussion: Why do so-called Christians worry about the words spoken directly by other people in the New Testament instead of worrying about the spoken words of Lord Jesus only. Who is the true and absolute teacher in the bible?
 
HesDeltanCaptain
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 08:51 am
@Amoh5,
If Christianity actually made any sort of sense the BIble would have been the NT texts only, not the OT and NT. The OT is a corrupted version of Jewish Tanach. It's not any part of Christianity and totally mutually-exclusive of Christiantiy. If you followed the OT, you'd be burning Christian churches to the ground for idolatry. That some moron way back put them together I've always thought was a joke and not so subtle F you to people dumb enough to be Christian.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 09:18 am
@HesDeltanCaptain,
I agree that the OT does have a lot of barbaric corruptive ideas, but i must say it also has good ideas as well. But the point is that people who call themselves Christians profess to the ideals of Lord Jesus, then make a u turn back to the OT, unusual indeed. If Christianity is not your cup of tea(or coffee) thats fine with me. Each to their own as they say
Johnjohnjohn
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 02:23 pm
@Amoh5,
Jesus did say he didn't come to abolish the old testiment laws .



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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 02:35 pm
@Amoh5,
The Hebrew writings contain many 'testaments', only one of which became obsolete when Jesus instituted the new covenant (or, testament) on the Passover of 33 C.E. The remainder of the of the Jewish writings continue to apply:
The Edenic Promise of Genesis 3:15
The Rainbow Covenant given to Noah
The covenant God made with Abraham.
The Davidic covenant
And others
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 03:24 pm
@Amoh5,
May I remind you that your Lord Jesus was a practicing Jew, reading the OT? To get rid of the OT might be trivializing your Lord Jesus' life?

And scholars consider Jesus an anti-Roman zealot. His "love" might not have extended to the occupying Romans.
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 03:34 pm
@Foofie,
Jesus resurrected the slave of the army officer - Matthew, ch 8
Cornelius, a Roman centurian was the first non Jew baptised a Christian, prompting Peter to declare that people of all nations are acceptable to God. - Acts, ch. 10
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Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 04:55 pm
@Johnjohnjohn,
Indeed he did say that, he also said he came to fulfil the law into two commandments.
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Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 05:01 pm
@neologist,
But is one able to get to the Father through these other testaments instead of going through Lord Jesus?
Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 05:12 pm
@Foofie,
But he did say that in order to truely know the Father(God)is only through his testament not anywhere else. Yes, he wasn't impressed by the barbarianism of the Romans or anyone else for that matter, but he did have forgiveness and compassion for them like a loving Father would.
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Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 05:27 pm
I'm not suggesting that everything in the Old Testament is horrible, there are some beautiful quotations in there but i don't think they can override the gospels of our Lord. I apologise if I take a while to respond, but trying to work, eat, sleep and family obligations etc makes this seem like a complicated juggling act. I was a little hesitant to start a discussion because of the time factor involved. However, I will do my best to respond.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 05:40 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:
And scholars consider Jesus an anti-Roman zealot. His "love" might not have extended to the occupying Romans.

Which scholars are those?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 06:21 pm
@Amoh5,
Quote:
A Christian is someone who gives their life and allegiance only to God through Lord Jesus CHRIST where the word Christian comes from. However, I find it amazing that a lot of so-called Christians turn backwards to the Old Testament. Is our Lord Jesus's Testament not enough or insufficient? Is he not the teacher of all teachers?


Of course he is not the teacher of all teachers he is a pro socialist and we are anti social humans. We prefer to go back to our father the antisocial psychopath. Do you have some sort of a Utopian idea where there can be pro-social psychopaths?

Let me guess you think we are fallen angles rather than the 5th apes?



reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 06:24 pm
@Amoh5,
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I agree that the OT does have a lot of barbaric corruptive ideas, but i must say it also has good ideas as well.


It is amazing that it teaches that you can not have a little salt in water and it not be salt water but when it came to the bible we could not get it correct.
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Smileyrius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 06:42 pm
Which scriptures do you suppose the Apostle Paul wrote of in 2 Timothy 3:16?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 06:52 pm
@Smileyrius,
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Which scriptures do you suppose the Apostle Paul wrote of in 2 Timothy 3:16?

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Are you suggesting this is Apostle Paul's way of saying run as fast and far as you can from the bible?
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 07:01 pm
@reasoning logic,
aha, touché my friend
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 07:09 pm
@Amoh5,
Amoh5 wrote:
But is one able to get to the Father through these other testaments instead of going through Lord Jesus?
No.
Jesus said "I am the way" (John 14:6)
But the Hebrew writings are essential for understanding God's purpose, His standards, His personality.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 07:14 pm
@reasoning logic,
If you prefer psychopathy over family morals and values, I can hardly say that is a logical choice. However, Lord Jesus is more like clean, pure drinking water and more. I would have to say in your context of fallen angels to be people who are spirtually/psychologically unwell, a 5th ape? I'll leave that to the experts
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 07:22 pm
@neologist,
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No.
Jesus said "I am the way" (John 14:6)
But the Hebrew writings are essential for understanding God's purpose, His standards, His personality.

Jesus's personalty for the most part was empathetic like the therapeutae and therapeutrides.
If you really want to understand God of the old testament's personality, I would recommend studying cluster b personality disorders.
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