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Why do so many so-called Christians turn backwards to the Old Testament?

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 7 Sep, 2015 07:26 pm
@Amoh5,
Amoh5 wrote:

If you prefer psychopathy over family morals and values, I can hardly say that is a logical choice. However, Lord Jesus is more like clean, pure drinking water and more. I would have to say in your context of fallen angels to be people who are spirtually/psychologically unwell, a 5th ape? I'll leave that to the experts


What is the difference?

Amoh5
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 12:45 am
@reasoning logic,
Psychopathy- self-destruction, Family morals and values - SURVIVAL
Amoh5
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 01:02 am
@Smileyrius,
The scriptures you suppose the Apostle Paul wrote of in 2 Timothy 3:16 or anywhere else will never override the superiority of the Gospels by Lord Jesus and his spoken words.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 01:24 am
@neologist,
What I'm saying is that any testament or writings in the Old or New Testament can never override the Gospels of our Lord Jesus and his spoken words. His understanding of Gods purpose, standards and personality for me is most important and absolute compared to any other writings. Like in the past where they would burn people suspected to be witches, someone would have said, this seems wrong, the priest would say its in the bible the Old Testament inspired by God. What do you think Lord Jesus would say?
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 03:15 am
@Amoh5,
It doesn't matter what I suppose my friend, I was wondering what you supposed.
Why would they override the words of Jesus? Can you think of anything Jesus said that creates conflict between the Greek Scriptures and the Hebrew texts?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 03:40 am
How does one discover what the GOD that Jesus worshiped...

...is like?

How does one discover what offends the GOD that Jesus worshiped?

How does one discover what the GOD that Jesus worshiped thought to be a legitimate way to conduct one's self...how to treat people who engage in homosexual acts, for instance...or children who sass their parents...or whether or not it is moral to own slaves...and such?

How?
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 03:50 am
@Amoh5,
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What do you think Lord Jesus would say?



Luke 19:27
27"But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence."
Amoh5
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 04:07 am
@Smileyrius,
I am supposing that Lord Jesus is the absolute teacher of God. If you are a Christian why go elsewhere to seek ultimate truths about God. Are his gospels not sufficient enough? I don't know if you're a Christian or not, but straying away from the words of Lord Jesus(like musing over Greek or Hebrew texts not from him) has led to a lot of attrcocities by so-called Christians. Burning people for suspected witchcraft, killing or condemning non-believers, treating women like slaves are not Christian attributes from Lord Jesus. I do notice a strangeness about so-called Christans that get unusually excited rattling off about verses in the Old Testament. They also take a lot of things in the bible literally. Who is their teacher?
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 09:36 am
@Amoh5,
Jesus quoted liberally from the Hebrew texts as did the Christian writers. Also, Paul declared that all scripture is inspired. - 2Timothy 3:16
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 09:55 am
@Amoh5,
My friend, even Jesus words are twisted by some to justify or to motivate misgivings, what of the texts themselves? are the Hebrew texts invalid or do they lie? Jesus held a great reverence for the recorded scriptures available in his day. He did not speak of his own authority, but regularly referred to the written word.
Jesus wrote:
But He answered and said, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God

Now don't get me wrong, I am in complete agreement with you that Jesus teachings are the most central teachings to the life of any Christian,
Beyond that however, what you appear to be saying (please put me straight if I am wrong, I have no wish to misrepresent your position) is that because the word of God has been mishandled by others, that we should abandon it entirely.
Are the Hebrew texts not beneficial for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully equipped to do every good work?

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I do notice a strangeness about so-called Christians that get unusually excited rattling off about verses in the Old Testament

Do you realise that in Jesus footsteps, the apostles also got unusually excited about rattling off Hebrew scriptures, if it would help, I can provide a list of hundreds of direct quotes and allusions from what you now dub the Old Testament, even I was surprised at how many there were, but it certainly doesn't read like they had any problems with it
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 11:33 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Jesus quoted liberally from the Hebrew texts as did the Christian writers. Also, Paul declared that all scripture is inspired. - 2Timothy 3:16


Yup.

And they all worshiped the god described in excruciating detail in the Old Testament.
neologist
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 11:59 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
And they all worshiped the god described in excruciating detail in the Old Testament.
Why do you suppose those details were included, Frank? Why not leave them out and present God as a marshmallow?
Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 12:16 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:
And they all worshiped the god described in excruciating detail in the Old Testament.
Why do you suppose those details were included, Frank? Why not leave them out and present God as a marshmallow?


All of the disciples and Jesus himself...worshiped the god described in the Old Testament, Neo.

Why do you supposse so many Christians of today want to distant themselves as much as possible from that god?
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 03:01 pm
@neologist,
I like Marshmallows, I could get behind that
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 04:25 pm
@Amoh5,
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Psychopathy- self-destruction, Family morals and values - SURVIVAL


Is there a place we can learn Family morals "moral philosophy" or "Ethics" and values "axiology"?
Do you learn this from the Old Testament?

Can this be learned from other religions?
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Amoh5
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 05:11 pm
@Frank Apisa,
I think its a simple equation Frank, any ideas on human morality should equal FAMILY. Family to me is nuturing, protecting and respecting one another, especially for our children. Without family we wouldn't exist, yes mom and dad, brother and sister. Mind you we can extend our sense of family to other people if they are trustworthy and willing. Therefore, the spirit/psychology of God can only be about FAMILY. Having a sense of family is vital to the survival of any specie including us. So who do I think is the best teacher for human morality? I think its Lord Jesus, he seems like an honourable family-like character, very forgiving, hes not anti-human, greedy or perverted. I think hes got the best ideas on human family morality. I couldn't care a less about people saying Lord Jesus never existed. I'm not a bible literalist, just a bible moralist. I know theres a lot of unrealistic literature in there, but I just by-pass all that and focus on the morality of Lord Jesus. I've been through too many hard times to believe in airy fairy things, but I do believe in human family morality. Without that, we're bugged. I guess you would have your own way of maintaining your sense of family. I'm just discussing why so-called Christians stray off into the unforgiving Old Testament looking for other teachers, and forget the teachings of Lord Jesus. Maybe they might want to start burning fortune tellers or homosexuals at the stake or something, not very Christian-like or family-like. I do think that the physique of God is the sky especially when looking at the term "Heavenly Father". But Christianity is not about physics, its about spirituality/psychology. I suppose we do sometimes speculate on a magical God granting all our materialistic wishes effortlessly, but then we would become like spoilt children not being able to appreciate anything let alone ourselves and other people. I think its true when they say "its the spirit that drives the physical body, not the other way around".
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 05:18 pm
@Amoh5,
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Therefore, the spirit/psychology of God can only be about FAMILY.


The bible says this where? Is it in the same place where it teaches you how to sell your daughters and treat your slave's children? My bad they would be your property so they would have a master and a father.
Amoh5
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 05:26 pm
Man, 24hrs to a day is not enough time for showering, work, eating, family, sleeping, A2k....etc etc etc. It should be 48hrs to a day.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 05:28 pm
@Amoh5,
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Man, 24hrs to a day is not enough time for showering,


Now do you know why the guys at work call you stinky?
Smileyrius
 
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Reply Tue 8 Sep, 2015 05:29 pm
@Amoh5,
take as long as you need chap, A2k will keep, have a think about it

Smiley,
Accomodatin'
 

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