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What is the origin of the he'll fire teaching?

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maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 07:12 am
@anthony1312002,
Different people interpret the Bible in very different ways... your particular interpretation (or mine) isn't relevant to this topic.

The question is where do these preachers get the hell fire and damnation images.The answer to that is clearly "The Bible".

The Bible has images of "weeping and gnashing of teeth", and eternal torment, and punishment so bad it is worth gouging your eyes out now on Earth to avoid it, and a lake of fire.

You can explain away each of these passages. But for the preachers who take these things literally, these passages in the Bible talk about a place of eternal torment for evildoers in a lake of fire.
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 09:46 am
@maxdancona,
There is a difference between what the Bible says and what many people think it says.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 10:14 am
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

InfraBlue wrote:
That passage can be read as referring to Hades, the god of the underworld and Death, which appears in the Greek texts as θάνατος, Thanatos, as its personification.
Could be. But the previous verse casts a better light From the KJV:
Quote:
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Revelation 20:13,14)

Verse 13 refers to them as places. Verse 14 is more an instance of prosopoeia.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 10:17 am
@anthony1312002,
Yes.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 10:19 am
@neologist,
You forgot to add a smiley face emoticon, maybe even one with a wink.
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 11:58 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
You forgot to add a smiley face emoticon, maybe even one with a wink.
You go first
maxdancona
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 12:05 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

There is a difference between what the Bible says and what many people think it says.


No Neologist. There isn't any difference between what the Bible says to you, and what you think it says to you.

You know what you think the Bible says. What you think the Bible says is what helps you, comforts you or guides you. If you happen to be wrong about what the Bible "actually" says, so what... what you don't understand doesn't impact your life or beliefs at all.

When different people read the Bible, it says different things to each of them. Clearly the passages about a "lake of fire" to punish evildoers have led some people to believe in a lake of fire to punish evildoers.

neologist
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 12:12 pm
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:
That passage can be read as referring to Hades, the god of the underworld and Death, which appears in the Greek texts as θάνατος, Thanatos, as its personification.
neologist wrote:
Could be. But the previous verse casts a better light From the KJV:
Quote:
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (Revelation 20:13,14)
InfraBlue wrote:
Verse 13 refers to them as places. Verse 14 is more an instance of prosopoeia.
I fail to see where death would be referred to a place rather than as a condition. As for 'hades' or 'hell'
Quote:
prosopoeia

1. A rhetorical figure based on the introduction of a pretended speaker.
2. The rhetorical figure by which an inanimate object or abstract entity is impersonated. (Source: http://wordinfo.info/searches/results/prosopoeia)
Emphasis on "inanimate object or abstract entity".
neologist
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 12:29 pm
@maxdancona,
neologist wrote:
There is a difference between what the Bible says and what many people think it says.
maxdancona wrote:
No Neologist. There isn't any difference between what the Bible says to you, and what you think it says to you.
Translators do not necessarily provide an accurate rendition of the original texts. Comparison of translations will allow for better understanding.
maxdancona wrote:
You know what you think the Bible says. What you think the Bible says is what helps you, comforts you or guides you. If you happen to be wrong about what the Bible "actually" says, so what... what you don't understand doesn't impact your life or beliefs at all..
Sure. If the Bible is BS. But, if it is, in fact, God's word. . . .
maxdancona wrote:
When different people read the Bible, it says different things to each of them. Clearly the passages about a "lake of fire" to punish evildoers have led some people to believe in a lake of fire to punish evildoers.
That may be true. But it contains 2 lies.
A merciful God would not apply infinite punishment for finite sin. And, it would not be possible, since the soul does not survive death.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 01:20 pm
@neologist,
Verse 13 says that death, along with hades, delivered up the dead who were in them.

Yep, you've quoted a competent definition of prosopopeia.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 01:22 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

There is a difference between what the Bible says and what many people think it says. Smile
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 5 Aug, 2015 01:32 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

A merciful God would not apply infinite punishment for finite sin.

A vengeful and jealous god would, however.
neologist wrote:
And, it would not be possible, since the soul does not survive death.

Says you.
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2015 10:13 am
@InfraBlue,
Posted by hingehead in another forum earlier today:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e5/bf/e8/e5bfe897c1b8fb21c7f1d957de8c2c63.jpg

Just sayin'
maxdancona
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2015 10:16 am
@neologist,
Sure Hell was invented by Christians. And the New Testament of the Bible was written by Christians. That's why you can find Hell, as a place of eternal torment, in the Bible.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2015 04:49 pm
@neologist,
What max said.
neologist
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2015 05:52 pm
@InfraBlue,
Are we agreeing here?

How could that be?
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Thu 17 Sep, 2015 10:19 pm
@neologist,
neologist wrote:

Are we agreeing here?

How could that be?

It's obvious that you do not grasp the implications of your agreement.
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 01:01 am
@InfraBlue,
Perhaps I misread max
Now that I look at it.
It happens
I'll need to correct him next time we share a growler.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 07:19 am
@neologist,
How about now Neologist. You don't think Christians wrote the New Testament?
neologist
 
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Reply Fri 18 Sep, 2015 10:27 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:
How about now Neologist. You don't think Christians wrote the New Testament?
What? No growler?
Of course those who originally penned the Gospels and epistles were Christians. Not all translators have been faithful to the word, however. And certainly not all preachers.
 

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