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Using "or" to give definitions

 
 
Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2015 02:37 pm
Hi all.

A quick question. I would like to use "or" in order to give a definition. For example, I want to say:

"Some people are obnoxious or are extremely unpleasant".

So first I say the word "obnoxious" and then give the definition (extremely unpleasant) using "or". Is the above sentence correct? Do I need a comma before the or?

Thank you so much!



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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2015 04:08 pm
@FluffyKitty,
Quote:
A quick question. I would like to use "or" in order to give a definition. For example, I want to say:

"Some people are obnoxious or are extremely unpleasant".

So first I say the word "obnoxious" and then give the definition (extremely unpleasant) using "or". Is the above sentence correct? Do I need a comma before the or?


If you want to give a definition, or the impression of a definition (because this is not a precise way of doing so) then you have to omit the second "are".

example:
Some people are obnoxious or extremely unpleasant.

If you put in the "are", you are introducing another possibility, another idea. Especially so with the comma before the or.

example:
Some people are obnoxious or are at least widely misunderstood.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 12 Jul, 2015 10:18 pm
@FluffyKitty,
"Or" doesn't introduce a definition. "Or" means "alternatively," so in effect you're following with something other than a definition.

You can write, "that is to say," "i.e.".

"Some people are obnoxious, that is to say, they are extremely unpleasant."

"Some people are obnoxious, i.e., they are extremely unpleasant."
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2015 10:01 pm
@InfraBlue,

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"Or" doesn't introduce a definition.


I think there is a subtlety here which may have escaped your attention.
I think it can be used in that way, and so the OP is almost on the right track.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2015 10:50 am
@McTag,
You're right. It does lead to ambiguity, though. Given your revision, it can be read as either introducing a definition or presenting an alternative.

Some people are obnoxious or extremely unpleasant.
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FBM
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2015 06:30 pm
What do you guys think about setting it off in hyphens?

Obnoxious - or extremely unpleasant - people do exist.
McTag
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2015 02:44 am
@FBM,

It's okay, maybe a bit too modern for me! It's not necessary from a grammatical viewpoint I think. It doesn't add anything imho.
It's another shot in the locker of the modern author, another tint on the pallette.
FBM
 
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Reply Wed 15 Jul, 2015 08:41 am
@McTag,
That's what I was thinking of. Another syntactical tool. It doesn't add anything substantial to the content, but it's a pretty concise way to get that content across, I think. I do it occasionally, but I don't wear it out. That would be obnoxious. Wink
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