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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 12:23 pm
White House Downplays Bush-Enron Ties
By DEB RIECHMANN

WASHINGTON (AP) - The White House sought Thursday to minimize President Bush's ties with indicted former Enron chief Kenneth Lay, saying it has been a long time since they talked and suggesting it was only a passing friendship.

When Bush was governor of Texas, he called Lay ``Kenny Boy'' and Enron was a big financial backer. Bush has received more than $550,000 in donations from Enron, its employees and their relatives during his political career - the most from any source.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 12:25 pm
I suppose there's always a negative way to spin it. At least nobody can say the relationship is protecting Lay.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 12:34 pm
Given the level of animosity towards Lay, in Texas particularly, there is no way Bush could protect Lay

Incidently Connecticut took a big hit with Enron. It invested pension money in the company and lost it all. That was one of the charges against our recently removed Republican governor.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 12:36 pm
Before the Enron scandal is used to bash the current administration, let's recall that it has been the Bush administration that has been doing the investigation and bringing indictments against the guilty in that organization.

The GOP has a long relationship with Enron which has benefitted the GOP with little or no evidence that Enron benefitted from the relationship in any substantial way.

The Democrats have a long relationship with Enron which benefitted the Democrats with little or no evidence that Enron benefitted from the relationship in any substantial way.

Maybe if Enron had benefitted more from the megabucks it funneled into both parties, they wouldn't have gone broke?

In the last administration Ken Lay was Bill Clinton's golfing buddy on more than one occasion.

I pulled the following off another website as it cites the sources the information comes from. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of most of it however.

Quote:
1. -From 1990 to 1994 Enron gave 42% of their donations to Democrats.
Source: The Center for Responsive Politics

2. -Florida's state pension fund, which lost $325 million on Enron, is examining what role Frank Savage, a major Democratic donor, may have played in the state's loss. The fund's investments were directed by Alliance Capital Management, where Savage was a senior executive and chairman at the same time he sat on Enron's board. He donated $100,000 to Democrats and raised money for New York gubernatorial candidate Carl McCall.
Source: Time Magazine

3. -Lloyd Bensten, Clinton's first treasury secretary, was a recipient of Enron's money. At the time of his campaign for Senate, he received the second largest donation from Enron.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

4. -Robert Rubin, Bensten's successor, was involved with Enron while he worked as an investment banker at Goldman & Sachs. Clinton first hired Rubin to head his National Economic Council. Soon afterwards, Rubin wrote on Goldman Sachs stationery to former clients, including Enron, that he ''looked forward to continuing to work with you in my new capacity.''
Source: WorldNet Daily

5. -In the days when Franjo Tudjman was Croatia's dictator and pretending to be both a reformed communist and best friend of America in the Balkans, poor Franjo had a problem. He and some of his very best friends were wanted as war criminals by the Hague's International Court of Justice. Enron wanted a power contract with Croatia. Enron offered a deal to Tudjman. Sign up with us and we will use our gang in Washington to make sure you and your friends don't go to jail.

Tudjman signed. Enron made a heap of money. Nobody went to jail. Everyone was happy - until Tudjman died of cancer. Then the lid was off, his Croatian Democratic Union was defeated and the new boys in power in Zagreb could not believe how much of their budget went to pay the electricity bills from Enron.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review

6. - In August 1993, McLarty, Clinton's former chief of staff, arranged an invitation for Lay, Enron's CEO, to play golf with Clinton in Vail, Colorado. This date irritated Oscar Wyatt, chief executive of Coastal, another natural gas company that had helped the Clinton election campaign raise funds. These connections to the Democratic administration helped Enron considerably.
Source: Time Magazine

7. -Clinton officials publicly helped Enron win contracts in India as well as in Indonesia. Enron had received U.S. government funds to build power plants in China, the Philippines and Turkey. Enron also won contracts in Pakistan and Russia while accompanying senior U.S. government officials on state trips. In June 1996, four days before India granted final approval to Enron's project, Lay's company gave $100,000 to the DNC.
Source: Time Magazine

8. -Enron got permission to build a pipeline from Mozambique to South Africa after National Security Adviser Anthony Lake threatened to withhold aid to Mozambique if it didnt approve the project.
Source: Mozambique News Agency

9. -The bulk of Enron's alleged chicanery happened during the Clinton administration.
Source: Fortune Magazine

10. -Enron Corporation donated $100,000 to the Democratic National Committee. Six days later, Enron executives were on a trade mission with Commerce Secretary Mickey Kantor to Bosnia and Croatia. With Kantor's support, Enron signed a $100 million contract to build a 150-megawatt power plant.
Source: The Weekly Standard

11. -Kenneth Lay hired the firm of Clinton's former chief of staff Mack McLarty.
Source: Fortune Magazine

12. -Democratic Senators Chuck Schumer of New York, John Breaux of Louisiana, and Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico--chair of the Senate Energy Committee--are among the top beneficiaries of Enron's political donations.
Source: Fortune Magazine

13. -Kenneth Lay retained Linda Robertson, a Democrat who worked for the Clinton Treasury Department, as his top D.C. lobbyist.
Source: Fortune Magazine

14. -Dynergy, an energy company which wanted to buy Enron and later sued them, donated $1,000 of dollars to Henry Waxman in the 2001-2002 cycle, one of the men leading the Enron investigation.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

15. -The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee received three checks from the Houston-based energy and trading giant totaling $100,000. Karen Denne, an Enron spokeswoman, said the company had a record of two checks written to the committee -- dated Sept. 24 and Nov. 2
Source: NY Post

16. -Joe Lieberman and Tom Daschle's Largest Contributor in the 2000 election cycle was Enron's Largest Creditor, Citigroup.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

17. -Enron was apparently a big backer of some parts of the Kyoto Treaty.
Source: Enron.com

18. -Ken Lay slept in the Clinton White House and served as an adviser to the Clinton White House on energy issues.
Source: Drudge Report

19. -Enron's lead Washington lawyer is Robert Bennett, who represented Clinton in the Paula Jones case.
Source: NewsMax.com

20. -Neil Eggleston, a former White House associate counsel under Clinton, represents Enron's outside directors.
Source: NY Post

21. -David Boies, Al Gore's lead lawyer in the Florida recount, is representing former Enron CFO Andrew Fastow.
Source: NY Post

22. -Former Democratic Texas Gov. Ann Richards appointed Ken Lay ,the Enron exec, to the Governor's Business Council and received contributions from Enron.
Source: Washington Post

23. -Enron introduced the Clinton team to Lippo Industries and thence to China's People's Liberation Army (a wonderful source of political cash), and John Huang, another good provider.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review

24. -Tony Lake, then Clinton's national security adviser, persuaded the impoverished, war-torn country of Mozambique to sign a $770 million electric power contract with Enron.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review

25. -Al Gore and Bill Clinton introduced Enron to market managers in Russia, China, Indonesia and India. In India, Enron quickly became involved in one of that country's most massive corruption investigations, contracts were canceled and Enron was out.
Source: Pittsburg Tribune-Review

26. -Just days before Enron Corp. landed in bankruptcy court, the one-time political powerhouse may still have been funneling campaign dollars to Democratic lawmakers, federal election records indicate.
Source: Houston Chronicle

27. -Enron contributed some $682,000 to the DNC during the 2000 election.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

28. -Ken Lay hired Betsy Moler, Clinton's deputy energy secretary, as a consultant. She was accused of stopping Energy Department counterintelligence chief Notra Trulock from briefing Congress early on about Chinese espionage and security lapses at Energy's nuclear weapons labs.
Source: Houston Chronicle

29. -Government records show that, during the Clinton years, Lay and other Enron executives got seats on at least four Energy Department trade missions and at least seven Commerce Department trade trips.
Source: WorldNet Daily

30. -The congressman who recieved the most money from Enron in the past 12 years is Ken Bentsen (D-Texas) who received $42,750. The second largest receiver was Sheila Jackson Lee (D-Texas) who received $38,000
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

31. -The ranking member of the Committee on Energy and Commerce, John D. Dingell (D-Mich), is the 10th largest receiver of Enron contributions totalling $9,000.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

32. -71 House Democrats received $257,140 Enron Contributions.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

33. -Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle (D-SD) was the 20th member of the Senate to have received the most money from Enron. He received a total of $6,000.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

34. -29 Senate Democrats, not including those that are retired, were unseated, or died, received a total of $110,513 in the last 12 years from Enron.
Source: Center for Responsive Politics

35. -To help push through energy initiatives in Africa, Clinton's Energy Secretary (and Monica Lewinsky's job counselor), Bill Richardson, visited Nigeria in August 1999. "As a result of Secretary Richardson's visit to Nigeria in August, we have embarked on a bilateral cooperation program. The Department is developing an action plan with the Government of Nigeria, which will be coordinated with USAID. Cooperation could include: restructuring and privatization; rural electrification; deployment of clean energy and renewable energy technologies; promotion of energy efficiency; and development of an independent regulatory authority.

This initiative, coordinated by Richardson, led to $882 million dollars in power contracts for Enron from the government of Nigeria:
Enron, an oil and gas firm in Houston, has signed a power purchase agreement to supply emergency electricity to state-owned power utility Nigerian Electric Power Authority (NEPA) through 30MW power barges located on the coast of Lagos State. Enron and its Nigerian joint venture partner signed the $82 million deal with NEPA and the power ministry in the capital Abuja. Enron and the Lagos state government entered a joint venture earlier in 1999 to build an $800 million gas-powered plant with capacity for 540 Megawatt (MW) to augment supply to the city. Unfortunately for Enron, the Nigerian Government cancelled these contracts in April 2000. As a further reward for their generosity to the Democratic Party, Clinton Administration Special Envoy Thomas Pickering hustled off to Nigeria (on the taxpayer's dime) to plead Enron's case.
Source: Several Sources/FreeRepublic.com

36. -Texas Democrats received more Enron contributions than Texas Republicans.
Source: CBS Affiliate KTVT in Texas

37. -Hillary Rodham Clinton ordered the destruction of documents, which Enron is now accuse of doing, of four files in 1988 from her work on the failed savings and loan that's now at the heart of the Whitewater affair.
Source: NewsMax.com

38. -During the 1991-92 election cycle, Enron gave $28,525 to the Democratic party while former Clinton Secretary of Commerce Ronald Brown served as the chairman of the Democratic National Committee. Enron gave $42,000 to the Democratic party in the 1993-94 cycle.
Source: PublicIntegrity.org

39. -According to internal Enron documents and the recollections of former employees, Chairman Kenneth L. Lay had the ear of top Democrats in the 1980s and '90s. He and his colleagues used that access to promote the company's interests with the Clinton administration and key congressional Democrats.
Source: Washington Post

40. -According to another Enron memo, Lay met with former Clinton Energy Secretary Federico Peña to urge White House action on electricity legislation favored by Enron. Peña "suggested that President Clinton might be motivated [to act] by some key contacts from important constituents."
Source: Washington Post

41. -Ken Lay was one of 25 business executives on Clinton's Council on Sustainable Development.
Source: Washington Post

42. -Enron's political action committee gave $10,000 in 2000 to the New Democrat Network, which was co-founded by Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.). Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential nominee that year, now chairs the Senate Government Affairs Committee, which is leading an inquiry into Enron's collapse.
Source: Washington Post

43. -Several senior Enron officials spent election night at Vice President Gore's headquarters in Nashville.
Source: Washington Post

44. -Enron backed Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) in his successful 1998 campaign to oust Republican Sen. Alfonse D'Amato. Schumer's views on electricity deregulation dovetailed closely with Enron's.
Source: Washington Post

45. -Two years later Schumer, who has advocated deregulation as a way of reducing New York state's high power costs, co-authored a bill to restructure electricity markets along lines favored by Enron.
Source: Washington Post

46. -Enron has supported Senate Energy Committee Chairman Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), whose state is traversed by a major east-west Enron gas pipeline.
Source: Washington Post

47. -Former employees say Lay's friendships with other Democrats were based as much on rapport as pragmatism. This group includes former senator Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), whose brief 1992 presidential bid had Lay's backing, and Sen. Evan Bayh (D-Ind.), with whom Lay served on the Eli Lilly Co. board of directors in the 1990s.
Source: Washington Post

48. -In 1996, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, stocked with Clinton appointees, helped Enron with a series of orders that weakened the monopoly of nuclear and coal-burning utilities. In July of that year, Enron gave $100,000 to the Democratic Party.
Source: Washington Post

49. -In 1992, a Democratic-controlled Congress approved a major energy bill that set the stage for a new wholesale electricity marketplace. Trading companies such as Enron could use the transmission lines of regulated utility companies to sell blocs of electricity to private customers.
Source: Washington Post

50. -Some officials in Enron's Houston and Washington offices backed Gore and Lieberman in the 2000 election.
Source: Washington Post
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 12:39 pm
Thanks Foxfyre. That should put that dog to sleep.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 12:43 pm
Acquiunk wrote:
Given the level of animosity towards Lay, in Texas particularly, there is no way Bush could protect Lay.


Agreed, but if you search Able2Know you'll find plenty of liberals claiming exactly that. Now that he has been indicted, it will have to segue into a new song.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 12:46 pm
I have no doubt both parties were very friendly toward Enron. Big campaign bucks are very attractive.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 12:56 pm
I just want the bastard to go to prison.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:04 pm
This list is a mishmash of factoids, some interesting others from less than reliable or biased sources such as:
The Center for Responsive Politics, WorldNet Daily, The Weekly Standard, Drudge Report, NewsMax.com.

Others are irrelevant such as:
49. -In 1992, a Democratic-controlled Congress approved a major energy bill that set the stage for a new wholesale electricity marketplace. Trading companies such as Enron could use the transmission lines of regulated utility companies to sell blocs of electricity to private customers.
Source: Washington Post

A Democratic Congress set the environment but it had no responsibility for Enron's abuse of that environment.

Some are simply statements that have little meaning:
41. -Ken Lay was one of 25 business executives on Clinton's Council on Sustainable Development.
Source: Washington Post

So what, these councils are composed to reflect a range of geographic areas, interests and opinions. At the time Lay was the CEO of an important energy company.

This however is interesting and probably should be pursued:
44. -Enron backed Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) in his successful 1998 campaign to oust Republican Sen. Alfonse D'Amato. Schumer's views on electricity deregulation dovetailed closely with Enron's.
Source: Washington Post
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:05 pm
W.'s First Enron Connection: pdate re Bush-Enron Oil Deal
W.'s First Enron Connection: Update on the Bush-Enron Oil Deal
03/04/2002 @ 1:57pm

The Nation Editor's note: Below is David Corn's article, posted on March 4, 2002, that first broke news of the Bush-Enron oil deal. An update follows.

Did George W. Bush once have a financial relationship with Enron? In 1986, according to a publicly available record, the two drilled for oil together--at a time when Bush was a not-too-successful oil man in Texas and his oil venture was in dire need of help. Bush's business association with Enron, it seems, has not previously been reported.

In 1986, Spectrum 7, a privately owned oil company chaired by Bush faced serious trouble. Two years earlier, Bush had merged his failing Bush Exploration Company (previously known as Arbusto--the Spanish word for shrub) with the profitable Spectrum 7, and he was named chief executive and director of the company. Bush was paid $75,000 a year and handed 1.1 million shares, according to "First Son," Bill Minutaglio's biography of Bush. Under this deal, Bush ended up owning about 15 percent of Spectrum 7. By the end of 1985, Spectrum's fortunes had reversed. With oil prices falling, the company was losing money and on the verge of collapse. To save the firm, Bush began negotiations to sell Spectrum 7 to Harken Energy, a large Dallas-based energy firm owned mostly by billionaire George Soros, Saudi businessman Abdullah Taha Baksh and the Harvard Management Corporation.

The deal took months to work out. In September of 1986, Spectrum 7 and Harken announced they had reached an agreement. Spectrum 7 shareholders, under the plan, would receive Harken stock. Bush publicly said that Spectrum 7 would continue to operate in Midland, Texas, as a wholly-owned subsidiary of Harken and that he would become an active member of Harken's board of directors. As Minutaglio noted, the deal would give Bush about $600,000 in Harken shares and $50,000 to $120,000 a year in consultant's fees. It also would provide $2.25 million in Harken stock for a company with a net value close to $1.8 million.

As the details of the Spectrum-Harken acquisition--which Bush badly needed--were being finalized, Enron Oil and Gas Company, a subsidiary of Enron Corporation, announced on October 16, 1986, that it had completed a well producing both oil and natural gas in Martin County, Texas. An Enron Oil and Gas press release reported the well was producing 24,000 cubic feet of natural gas and 411 barrels of oil per day in the Belspec Fusselman Field, 15 miles northeast of Midland. Enron held 52 percent interest in the well. According to the company's announcement, 10 percent belonged to Spectrum 7. At that point, Spectrum 7 was still Bush's company. Harken's completion of the Spectrum 7 acquisition was announced in early November.

To spell it out: George W. Bush and Enron Oil and Gas were in business together in 1986--when Ken Lay was head of Enron. (Lay was named Enron chairman in February of that year.) How did this deal come about? Was this the only project in which Bush and Enron were partners? A call placed to the White House produced no response. Karen Denne, an Enron spokeswoman, says "I can't tell you anything about" that project, explaining Enron "sold all its domestic exploration and production assets about two years ago to EOG Reources" and probably did not retain records regarding that well. As for the possibility Spectrum 7 invested in other Enron ventures, she notes, "You're referencing something that happened in 1986. I can check, but we're pretty short-staffed now." Elizabeth Ivers, a spokeswoman for EOG Resources (formerly Enron Oil and Gas), says, "If we did have any records on that well, it would be nothing that we would share with the public. We do not disclose the details or specifics of who we have well interests with."

After the Enron affair began generating front-page headlines, Bush attempted to distance himself from Enron and Lay. In early January, the President claimed he and Lay had not always been close pals. "He was a supporter of [Texas Governor] Ann Richards in my run [against her] in 1994," Bush asserted, noting he did not get "to know Ken" and work with him until after he won that election. But campaign records show Lay donated three times as much money to Bush in that race as he did to Richards. Moreover, contacts between Lay and the Bush family pre-dated that campaign. In 1992, Lay chaired the host committee for the 1992 Republican convention in Houston, where Bush's father won his second presidential nomination. And Lay was a sleepover guest at the White House of President George H.W. Bush.

The Enron-George W. Bush connection goes back further than the President has suggested. But does that mean the relationship between the younger Bush and Lay stretches to the mid-1980s? The deal could have happened without contact between Lay and Bush. But most company heads would be interested to know that the son of the sitting vice-president had invested in one of their enterprises. If Lay had been aware of the partnership, that would not prove the two were pals or that Bush and Spectrum 7 had received undue consideration from Enron. But given Enron's penchant to use political ties to win and protect business opportunities, it is tough not to wonder if this Bush-Enron venture involved special arrangements. This is certainly one more Enron partnership that deserves scrutiny--especially since George W. Bush has yet to acknowledge it. The Spectrum-Enron deal is either an odd historical coincidence or an indication there's more to learn about the Bush-Enron association.

NOW FOR AN UPDATE ON THE BUSH-ENRON OIL DEAL:

On March 6, two days after this story was first posted, "The New York Times" ran on the front page of its business section a story headlined, "Bush Joined Unit of Enron In '86 Venture To Seek Oil." The article, written by Jim Yardley, essentially reported the facts noted above. Halfway into the piece, it noted, "A columnist in The Nation, the liberal political journal,...wrote about the deal this week in its online edition."

While the Bush White House did not respond to a request from "The Nation" for information, White House spokesman Dan Bartlett told the "Times" the President "has no recollection of this specific deal." Bartlett maintained that in 1986 Spectrum 7 was involved in more than 175 wells. Ted Collins Jr., who was president of Enron Oil and Gas at the time, told the newspaper that Bush did not have "a special relationship" with the company. Collins also asserted that Lay back then "wouldn't have known who Spectrum 7 was and that George W. Bush had anything to do with a company called Spectrum 7."

Since the story was originally posted, I have found records suggesting that Bush's Spectrum 7 had a second partnership with Enron. In May of 1985, a subsidiary of InterNorth, an Omaha-based energy company, announced the completion of a well in Martin County, Texas. According to "PR Newswire," the company said that Spectrum 7 owned an 18.75 percent interest in the well. (The rest was held by the InterNorth subsidiary.) The well, like the one mentioned above, was located at the Belspec Fusselman Field. That same month, InterNorth merged with Houston Natural Gas (HNG)--which gave birth to Enron. HNG/InterNorth changed its name to Enron in 1986, and the InterNorth subsidiary that had invested in the well with Spectrum 7 became part of Enron Oil and Gas. If Spectrum 7 and Enron Oil and Gas had retained their interests in the well, that would mean that Bush's oil company was in partnership with Enron before the deal reported above. Since Bush, according to his spokesperson, does not have a memory for such details and EOG Resources says it will not release any information about wells it has owned, it will be tough to confirm that the InterNorth-Spectrum 7 venture became an Enron-Spectrum 7 enterprise.

On another, more important, Enron-Bush point: Way back in 1994, I reported that Rodolfo Terragno, a former Argentine cabinet minister, had claimed that when he headed the Public Works and Services Department in 1988, George W. Bush, whom Terragno did not know, called him and pressured Terragno to award a pipeline contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars to Enron. (See http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020204&s=corn.) Terragno, who said he resisted this and subsequent importuning, could not provide proof that the call had occurred. (How can you prove you were phoned by the son of the Vice-President?) Bush's aides denied Terragno's account. But it's worth taking a second look at those denials.

At the time I was pursuing the Terragno story, Bush was running for Texas governor, and I asked the campaign whether Bush had spoken to Terragno about the pipeline project and whether he had any business relationship with Enron. Bush aide Karen Hughes faxed me a terse statement: "The answer to your questions are no and none. Your questions are apparently addressed to the wrong person." An Enron spokesperson said, "Enron has not had any business dealings with George W. Bush, and we don't have any knowledge that he was involved in a pipeline project in Argentina."

The recent news about the 1986 Enron-Bush venture in the Belspec Fusselman Field undermines (to be polite about it) those 1994 statements from Bush and Enron denying any business relationship between the scion and the company. The existence of this oil partnership in 1986 (or one in 1985) has no bearing on the veracity of Terragno's tale. But it shows the credibility of the Bush gang and that of Enron deserve questioning when either one is talking about the other.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:07 pm
I think it's highly suspicious that Cheney's 'energy task force,' in which (I believe) Enron did play a part, is classified.

So the 'evidence' that you say doesn't exist, in all likelyhood, does exist. They just won't let anyone see it.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:11 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
I think it's highly suspicious that Cheney's 'energy task force,' in which (I believe) Enron did play a part, is classified.

So the 'evidence' that you say doesn't exist, in all likelyhood, does exist. They just won't let anyone see it.

Cycloptichorn


Kind of like Saddam's WMD's...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:20 pm
What evidence doesn't exist? All my notes re this are in my old computer that is rusting out in the garage. But as I recall there simply was no smoking gun that any corruption was even suspected re Enron and the Democrats or Republicans. At best Clinton did help Enron do some stuff with India and turned Enron down on some other requests. Enron asked Bush for help with some European loans related to contracts once, and was refused.

Big corporations with mega capabilities do go after government contracts and often do work hand in hand with government to do many things. Companies like Microsoft (sure didn't help them did it?) Apple, Boeing, Honeywell, Phillips Labs, Halliburton, etc. etc. etc. all have abilities most companies don't and they do a lot of government business. Enron probably did too. Didn't help them one whit did it?
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Liberal Goddess
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:30 pm
I wouldn't look for Ken Lay to actually serve anytime. There was an attorney on NPR this a.m. claiming the case was weak.

Ah, but isn't that the point?

Look for there to be a phoney attempt to "indict" Ken Lay. The case will fail and a deal will be struck. He will walk away with a slap on the wrist and can forever hold his secrets of Bush.

Bush comes out looking like "Hey I tried guys but he was just too slick for us *wink* *wink*" Soon the papers will be headlining a new terror threat or a July Surprise (the capture of OBL) and all will be forgotten and the Ken Lay saga will be put to rest.
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:33 pm
Early on it did help them. In 2001 Enron was obviously manipulating the California electricity market and the Bush administration refused to intervene
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:35 pm
Liberal Goddess
Liberal Goddess, welcome to A2K, glad to have you here.

Unless the Bushies make it possible for Lay to get off before the election,
which may be why Lay was indicted at this time while Bush still has control. After all, what are friends for? Lay could reveal a lot of Bush financial stuff that Bush is trying to hide.

Lay won't get off if Kerry is elected and a new attorney general takes over the case.

BBB
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Liberal Goddess
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:37 pm
Re: Liberal Goddess
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Liberal Goddess, welcome to A2K, glad to have you here.

Unless the Bushies make it possible for Lay to get off before the election, it won't happen if Kerry is elected and a new attorney general takes over the case.

BBB


Thank you Bumble!

True but that's why you will see a quick settlement and on the day it's announced there will be a "terror" threat of something will come out that will take the focus away.

There is no way this administration can afford to piss Lay off, he knows where the bodies are buried. If he goes down he will take people with him and to avoid that look for a pleas bargin quickly.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:45 pm
So you guys are just choosing to ignore Foxfyre's post above?
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:47 pm
McG thanks, but your optimism was premature I think. There are those who so wish for a skunk, they paint white stripes on the cats.
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Liberal Goddess
 
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Reply Thu 8 Jul, 2004 01:55 pm
Quote:
Big corporations with mega capabilities do go after government contracts and often do work hand in hand with government to do many things. Companies like Microsoft (sure didn't help them did it?) Apple, Boeing, Honeywell, Phillips Labs, Halliburton, etc. etc. etc. all have abilities most companies don't and they do a lot of government business. Enron probably did too. Didn't help them one whit did it?


Actually Microsoft did make out pretty well with the Republican administration as have all the corporations mentioned. There is a difference between a corporation being able to bid and get a contract because they can offer the best quality for the less money or if there is some kind of trade off where the tax payers don't get gouged. That's not been the case.

Enron robbed CA of BILLIONS of dollars and their connections help them avoid detection. Investigations were hindered, they got an inside track to help put into place people who would oversee them. Bascially this administration invited all the foxes into the henhouse. Yes it did help them quite a bit but just like the Roman Empire greed ended up getting them in the end that is something that no one could help stop.

The drug companies have made out pretty well with the new Medicare bill that was promoted by Bush. I heard that due to the fact that there are no negotiations with pricing that prices have went up about 30% (+-) so that any savings that was supposed to happen has been offset by the increase. So yes they have benifited greatly and at the cost to tax payers and our elderly.

While congress and business have always had an intimate relationship I don't think you could find this kind of honeymoon screwing in our nations history. Halliburton has gouged taxpayers so why wasn't their contract pulled? Cheney's relationship with them should have prevented any no bid contract but it didn't. Instead we keep dolling out contracts to poltical allies of Bush and everyone seems to think this is normal and it's not.
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