Reply Tue 26 May, 2015 02:13 am
As we know, in English grammar it is correct to say,

It is me, It is you , It is he, It is she. What about the other pronouns "it,we,they"?
Do they work with this grammar as well?

It is it, It is we, It is they I think they might be right, but not sure.
By the way, when I was working with American people long ago, I heard these words . It is him, It is her
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 26 May, 2015 09:53 am
@ificouldreturnit,
It is it, It is we, It is they I think they might be right, but not sure

Okay If, tho we'd say "That's it"
ificouldreturnit
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2015 08:02 am
@dalehileman,
I appreciate you for your answer. I just didn't have free time so I couldn't thank you at once.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2015 08:34 am
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

It is we, It is they I think they might be right, but not sure


It's us, it's them. Contraction more natural and us instead of we and them instead of they.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 30 May, 2015 10:49 am
@ificouldreturnit,
Quote:
I couldn't thank you at once
Quite all right Ifi
luketeacheruk
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2015 08:48 am
@dalehileman,
Um...

"It" itself of course is a pronoun...and can function as both subjective and objective...

Possibly the other words you are refering to could work as relative pronouns along with "it"...

Person who posted above about contractions being much more natural is 100% correct.

But just to make clear: "It is them" is technically possible because "them" is the objective form of "they"...and by the same logic - "It is we" is NOT possible because "we" is the subjective form - and here "It" is already the subject. The objective form would be "us" of course. Then you have: "It's us!" Which works.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2015 02:54 pm
@luketeacheruk,
Luke thanks but you're 'way off above in the distance from an old codger like me
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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 31 May, 2015 10:54 pm
@luketeacheruk,

Quote:
"It is we" is NOT possible because "we" is the subjective form - and here "It" is already the subject.


We were always taught, back in the day, that the verb "to be" does not take a direct object.
Hence "it is I" was correct, and "it is me" was not.
Time has moved on, and we no longer speak like that, but so far as I know, the rule has not been rescinded.
So "it is we" is not only possible, it is correct.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 01:58 am
@McTag,
Have you ever heard anyone say 'it is we?'

I've not. Doesn't what is correct/incorrect take second place to how people actually talk?
FBM
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 02:00 am
http://www.ecenglish.com/learnenglish/lessons/subject-pronoun-or-object-pronoun
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 02:07 am
@izzythepush,

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Have you ever heard anyone say 'it is we?'


Sure. It's more normal to say "it's us", granted.

We got the money.
It is we who are the recipients of this generous gift.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 02:11 am
@izzythepush,

Prince Charles gets it wrong sometimes, and it's his mother's English.

"Thank you all for the friendly welcome given to my wife and I."

Given to me, Chas, to ME.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 02:13 am
@McTag,
I think in your example you'd still say it is us.

Have you ever heard anyone say it is we? I never have, never. I know certain ways of talking are deliberately anti grammatical like 'we was robbed,' but 'it is we' doesn't even fall into that category.
McTag
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 02:54 am
@izzythepush,

My old English teacher, Curly Campbell (he was bald) would beat you black and blue.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 05:03 am
@McTag,
Did he always resort to violence?
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 06:10 am
As the country boys say, "Who don't care is me."
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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 07:29 am
@izzythepush,
It is we who must take responsibility for allowing stupid answers to go unchallenged .
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 08:50 am
@izzythepush,

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Did he always resort to violence?


No, reasoned argument is best.
But sometimes the young mind has to be focussed by external agency.
Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 12:23 pm
@McTag,
McTag wrote:
. . . sometimes the young mind has to be focussed by external agency.


You're crackin' me up, Boss.
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luketeacheruk
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jun, 2015 06:20 pm
@McTag,
We got the money.

Here "we" is the subject...so, yes it is correct. "We" is a subjective pronoun.

It is we who are the recipients of this generous gift.

In this sentence...I think "we" is functioning as a nominative plural of "I". Just changing it to the singular can show that: "It is I who am the recpient of this generous gift". (although it is still sounds strange because it is a passive sentence)

I think there is more than meets the eye to this "us/we" thing...it is difficult not to confuse the subjective with the objective and the singular "I" with plural "we"...

But it can't be denied that in this example the use of we is wrong:

A: Who ate all the cookies?
B & C: Sorry! It was us!

B & C couldn't say: "Sorry! It was we!"

And that has nothing to do with older ways of teaching grammar etc.
 

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