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Pampered Bush meets real reporter-See the actual interview

 
 
sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 11:28 am
Thanks, Jer. "Bill" was referred to above, too, and lots of other first names in the transcript.

Is Helen Thomas the one that was conspicuously passed over in... oooh, what was it... an early, important press conference. Let's see if I can find it...
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 11:29 am
Here we go:

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/002008.html

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Harper
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 11:50 am
Bush can't answer questions, he can only try to filibuster with non-sequiturs. Pathetic.
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JustanObserver
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 01:17 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I have come to believe that all Bush supporters are deaf and dumb.


I'm sure some are, but thats the wrong way to look at it. I have a feeling its more of that innate sense to "stick to your guns", even when you realize your wrong.

Remember when you used to get into arguments, and at some point you realize that your wrong, but you don't want to feel stupid by admitting it? I think thats the same way it is with the hardcore Bush supporters. Its a hard feeling when you realize that something you've put so much support/effort into turns out to be all wrong. Best thing we can do is to not make them feel dumb for supporting this twit, but little by little get them to realize what a mistake this guy is.

Actually, along those lines, I've been debating my father (who loved Bush) for some time. Nothing hardcore, just kind of chipping away at the reasons why he said he supported the guy. Finally he got to see "F-911" this morning. I think that in combination with our discussions brought him to the light. He came home and said "Well, I still don't think I'm voting for Kerry, but I sure as hell ain't voting for Bush".

Sucess!! Very Happy
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 03:59 pm
Good for you, Justanobserver!!! Congratulations in helping your father achieve a more reasoned perspective--that's what really matters.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 04:21 pm
Justan, That may have been true maybe two or more decades ago, but at my age, I admit my mistakes when called upon to see my errors. I've even posted articles that have been supportive of this administration - even though it might been very few. It's practically impossible to find positive things to say about GWBush and his cronies, or find articles that support Bush but is obviously b.s. from the gitgo. Take the language used by vp Cheney. Can you imagine any other vp talking that way to a congressman or woman? Bush has made so many blunders, even the comedians use him in their jokes. GWBush is a joke.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 04:35 pm
blatham wrote:
dlowan wrote:
That's what was refreshing about Latham.

When confronted with a different position formerly taken on an issue - he would not wiggle and prevaricate - he'd just say" "Yeah - I changed my mind."


Ought I to take anything from the use of past tense, deb?


Hope not.

The current smear campaign seems to be taking a toll.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 04:42 pm
nimh wrote:
blatham wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Mr. Mountie, when Our Dear Wabbit says "Latham" in this context, she refers to an Ozzian politico . . .

Oh. Thanks. I immediately assume all conversations relate to me.

You really should acquire some interest in politics overseas as well, you know, Blatham ...
I mean, blasting Bush for being such a narrow-minded Amerocentric [expletive] doesnt kinda really work if you're only ever interested in stuff if it relates to the US/neocons/Bush yourself, too ..


Were you serious here, Nimh?

I hope not, since, as Blatham appears too much the gentlebeing to defend himself, I will tell you that he has, in fact, asked me to continue to tell him about Latham's fortunes, having expressed an interest in him from before I ever mentioned his name.

Blatham's "past tense" comment was, in fact, his way of asking me if anything had happened either to Latham, or to his rather unconventional candour.
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Mon 5 Jul, 2004 09:06 pm
Speaking of pampered Bush, have any Americans here seen news coverage of the protests and egg-throwing at Bush's 2000 inauguration, or did the media decide we didn't need to know that bit of "trivia"?
I had not seen nor heard of it until Farenheit 911.
I'd like to know if any others heard about it in 2000.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 12:11 am
suzy, Here's the link on the egg-throwing at Bush's 2000 inauguration. http://www.1worldcommunication.org/r2k&d2k.htm
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the reincarnation of suzy
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 08:26 am
Thanks, CI. I did find some mainstream reporting on it, such as ABC News and AP. I just don't remember hearing much about it and wonder how widely it was reported. I guess that if people don't pay attention to alternative media, they remain unaware of many important stories. It's just unbelievable! And so wrong.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 09:43 am
As the White House sickens, so do the media
TALK OF THE TOWN | HEADCASE 07.01.04
Nixon or Bush?
As the White House sickens, so do the media
BY CLIFF BOSTOCK
[email protected]

"Doonesbury" cartoonist Gary Trudeau recently told an interviewer something that perfectly describes my own feeling when I sit down to write this column every week.

"My belief that this is the most reckless president in our history has overwhelmed me creatively," he told a Boston Globe reporter. "I wake up thinking about the astonishing amount of harm these people have done to our national interest on every level, and it takes a tremendous act of will not to write about it every day. I've never felt that way before -- not even during Nixon's run."

Ralph Nader expressed the same sentiment but differently in a recent NPR interview. He said he almost feels nostalgic for Nixon. It's true that George Bush's lies make Nixon's now seem trivial. But those of us who witnessed the Nixon drama notice something almost as disturbing as the presidential prevarication itself.

I'm talking about the difference in the media's reporting. Oh, I know that the media were deeply divided on the gravity of Nixon's crime. And I well remember my Republican parents grousing about the "liberal media" back then too and complaining about the use of an anonymous source, "Deep Throat," in the reporting by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein of the Washington Post. But I do not remember the bald revision of reality -- the complicity in lying, either intentional or through laziness -- that characterizes the media today. And I don't remember staunch Republicans refusing to acknowledge reality when the smoking gun of Nixon's crime was hurled on the table.

The New York Times issued a milk-toast mea culpa in May, admitting that it had failed to adequately question the White House's claims during the buildup to the invasion of Iraq. While the right continues to squawk that the media is dominated by liberals, the Times admitted that it printed as fact claims that were spoon-fed to its reporters by right-wing propagandists. Of course, the Times was not motivated to issue this nonetheless surprising self-rebuke until its main source, Ahmad Chalabi, fell from grace along with his claims about Saddam's weapons of mass destruction.

Nor did the Times name the guiltiest reporter, Judith Miller. That failure and its decision to take no action against any of the editors who violated the first rule of journalism -- to print the truth, not just what they were told -- doesn't say much for the paper's credibility.

The Times case is one of negligence aggravated by paranoia about being characterized as liberal. Elsewhere, one finds lying openly in service to the right-wing agenda. I would be most happy to entertain evidence of the left actually engaging in this kind of behavior to a significant degree -- write me if you have evidence -- but I simply don't see it. (And, no, I don't regard Michael Moore's movies, which are like satirical editorial cartoons, as nonfactual.) Indeed, my recent column about the unmerited sanctification of Ronald Reagan produced several e-mails in which the writers characterized my statement of facts as opinions. I don't know how to respond to a claim that I'm expressing an opinion when I write that Reagan's popularity polled consistently lower than Bill Clinton's, despite the media's repetitive claim that the Gipper was America's most popular president in recent history.

It is, of course, on talk radio where facts are most often manufactured in service to the right. A new website, mediamatters.org, is infuriating Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly with its daily exposures of their lying. Hannity, for example, continues to repeat the claim that former President Bill Clinton refused an offer from Sudan to turn over Osama bin Laden to the U.S. in 1996, even though the 9/11 Commission found no "reliable evidence to support" the claim that Sudan made such an offer.

The invention of fact also involves ad hominem attacks. O'Reilly, for example, recently called columnist Molly Ivins a socialist, and branded author and historian Eric Alterman a "confidant of Castro" (even though Alterman has signed an anti-Castro petition). O'Reilly, under threat of a lawsuit, had to back down on both claims. I was amused that in one letter I received about my Reagan column, the writer said that he was particularly disgusted with leftist name calling -- after calling me a hypocrite in an earlier paragraph.

Like many people of my generation, I was inspired to a career in journalism by the Watergate reporting. I bounced between mainstream and alternative media, actually spending a year writing a column on media in the late '70s. By the beginning of the '90s, it had become clear to me that I no longer wanted to make media my full-time work. It doesn't matter where you work. As media becomes more corporate, every reporter and editor feels the enormous pressure not to rock the boat and that, in turn, has caused the profession to attract less inquisitive, less aggressive types. Were it not for the Internet and its rigorous monitoring of media, I believe most of the press would even more resemble a giant house organ for the White House.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 09:52 am
Re: Soz
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
Maybe the White House Press Corps will finally get the courage to do their jobs. It will only happened if their editors all the way up to the owners encourage and protect their job status. Its all in the hands of the editors now.

BBB


Not a chance - the "owners" are all Republican.... (or, should that be, is a Republican Wink )
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 6 Jul, 2004 09:16 pm
In this case, we all know what is is. LOL
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jul, 2004 08:34 am
The Bush Administration still hasn't classified the Sudan as genocide -- they apparantly have their own convenient definition for everything:

WMD
Compassionate
Genocide
Tax cut
Clean air

I don't need to complete this list. Is it Bush's limited vocabulary or Rove/Card/Cheney's twisting of semantics?
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jul, 2004 07:48 pm
dlowan wrote:
nimh wrote:
blatham wrote:
Setanta wrote:
Mr. Mountie, when Our Dear Wabbit says "Latham" in this context, she refers to an Ozzian politico . . .

Oh. Thanks. I immediately assume all conversations relate to me.

You really should acquire some interest in politics overseas as well, you know, Blatham ...
I mean, blasting Bush for being such a narrow-minded Amerocentric [expletive] doesnt kinda really work if you're only ever interested in stuff if it relates to the US/neocons/Bush yourself, too ..


Were you serious here, Nimh?

I hope not, since, as Blatham appears too much the gentlebeing to defend himself, I will tell you that he has, in fact, asked me to continue to tell him about Latham's fortunes, having expressed an interest in him from before I ever mentioned his name.

Blatham's "past tense" comment was, in fact, his way of asking me if anything had happened either to Latham, or to his rather unconventional candour.


That's an awfully kind defense, deb. Thanks. Actually, I've been taking an opportunity to see some parts of the US I've not seen before (the Mohave desert at 105 degrees without an airconditioner, for example...it took me a while to figure out why there were no bugs hitting my windshield for about 100 miles...there was nothing left alive out there). I'm typing now from a mercifully cool hotel room in Modesto California.

And though you and I had talked about Latham before, I did think you were referring to me (purple blotter paranoid flashback thingey). Sorry.

As for you nimh...your post was ungracious and a bit spiteful. I've written no post to you of that nature. Are your judgements regarding what we ought to be talking about here somehow deserving of special status? You would perhaps rather talk about whether Ettore Bugatti was outpaced by his son in automotive design genius, or whether DNA analysis supports the classic theory of the origins of Indo-European or whether Central Anatolia now looks more probable?

And I note that your post was seconded by several others. What's the problem here, boys and girls? Is there some licence I lack to study and speak about America? Is it inappropriate to focus on the individuals comprising the modern right in America, or to suggest that they are profoundly and uniquely dangerous not just to you, but to the world? Ought I to balance any negative comment on the Bush administration with a positive?

Gary Trudeau is arguably the brightest satirist in American letters since Twain. What he says, quoted above in BBB's post, duplicates exactly what I think and feel. Go back and look at it if you missed it. Those of you who haven't read about Strauss, or haven't read about Scaife, or haven't read about Norquist or Ralph Reed or Robert Bork are insufficiently appraised of what you are up against. That's fine, none of us have time to do all we wish we could do. But this is important stuff. Last week, cspan carried a talk from Paul Krugman and another from Mario Cuomo. Neither man was laughing.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 7 Jul, 2004 08:18 pm
I thought Nimh was kidding, re Blatham's (apparent) not picking up on Latham being the guy from Oz. Maybe you two have digs that I don't understand. Both of you are incredibly valuable to me in posts re US as related to world matters, and for other postings.

Me, I took it to be Lapham, Lewis Lapham, at first - the editor of Harper's, a US periodical, and was of course confused.
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