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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 06:59 am
Laughing
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gozmo
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 06:59 am
Interest rates will rise and if not for a long standing convention would have risen last week. A good convention I think but I would have been tempted.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 06:59 am
I agree Gozmo - Labor was totally lost most of the interregnum.

Nor fish, not flesh, nor good red herring.
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gozmo
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:01 am
They also have Ms Vanstone's nasty Social Security legislation in the wings.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:07 am
dlowan wrote:
Not the damn SENATE?????!!!!!

Really!


Yes, that was the gist of things on the ABC tonight. Apparently Family First has done really well (?) & has a senator from SA.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:14 am
Bejesus.

I was handing out stuff with them - the Assemblies of God are waaaay scary. Get to deal with some of their casualties in my job.

So - THEY got up, and not the Greens?????
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:15 am
FF got what fell off bloody Hanson's assault vehicle.

I am starting to miss the Democrats.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:17 am
Quote:
Howard Claims Victory

09oct04

PRIME Minister John Howard tonight claimed victory in the federal election ...

... "We have to look back for the 1960s to find an occasion when an incumbent government has increased its majority on two successive occasions," he said ...


Those who sought to defeat Howard and his coalition should draw a lesson. I expect the same lesson will be offered those in the US seeking to replace The Bush Administration. I do not expect either Australia's Labor or America's Democrats will recognize, let alone profit by, that lesson.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:17 am
gozmo wrote:
I guess it's time to look forward to the by-election in Bennelong.


Yes, maybe. Did anyone else get the impression that Nick Minchin (on the ABC) was suggesting that Howard, as a reward for winning his amazing, historic 4th term, had the "right" to decide how he wanted to serve in the new government? I was wondering if this was a small hint that the baton might be passed to Costello sooner than Howard was suggesting?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:19 am
And just what lesson do you think that is, Timber?

And man, I so hope you get rid of your fella - he is way worse than Howard.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:20 am
And - if you are imagining this election was fought on Iraq, you are way wrong - and projecting from your own campaign.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:22 am
timberlandko wrote:
Quote:
Howard Claims Victory

09oct04

PRIME Minister John Howard tonight claimed victory in the federal election ...

... "We have to look back for the 1960s to find an occasion when an incumbent government has increased its majority on two successive occasions," he said ...


Those who sought to defeat Howard and his coalition should draw a lesson. I expect the same lesson will be offered those in the US seeking to replace The Bush Administration. I do not expect either Australia's Labor or America's Democrats will recognize, let alone profit by, that lesson.


I'm not sure what the lesson is, timberlandko.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:24 am
msolga wrote:
gozmo wrote:
I guess it's time to look forward to the by-election in Bennelong.


Yes, maybe. Did anyone else get the impression that Nick Minchin (on the ABC) was suggesting that Howard, as a reward for winning his amazing, historic 4th term, had the "right" to decide how he wanted to serve in the new government? I was wondering if this was a small hint that the baton might be passed to Costello sooner than Howard was suggesting?


Nah - I didn't think that.

I will be surprised if it is soon.

Actually - if Howard is not pushed of fthe throne kicking and screaming like most Liberal (and Labor!) leaders - with his li'l fingie nails desperately clutching its leather - he will gain some respect from me in his going.

Mostly Lib leaders only fall on their sword when they have lost an election.

Howard is an operator, though - he may sniff the wind.

I think Costello is gonna be fuming and fulminating - Keating-like - for a while yet!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:27 am
Foreign Affairs, while frequently a factor, rarely play a key role in deciding elections. Folks by and large vote for their own interests. The People of Australia conducted a referendum on Howard's and Labor's domestic performance above all else, and demonstrated, convincingly, that the Howard Government is seen to be performing its domestic duties quite well enough, thank you, to merit further confidence and support. The lesson quite simply is that The People DO want more of the same.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:28 am
So what did you think Minchin meant, Deb?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:30 am
From what I saw, just that Howard was in clover.
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gozmo
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:32 am
Howard is 65 now, he will not lead the Liberal party to the next election. There is no way he will get to choose the manner of his going. Expect the resignation from parliament Xmas 2005.

BTW, Nick Minchin is to the Libs what Mick Young was to Labor.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:35 am
Yes - that is the tragedy, Timber - for most Australians, polls suggest, consider Howard a liar over major issues like children overboard and Iraq intelligence.

Better the lair you knw, than the young fella you don't.

What you are ignoring - or perhaps ignorant of, is that Latham had only about 8 months as leader, after a protracted and bruising leadership death of the fella before him - and, before making a principled environmental decision, was ahead.

But - so it goes.

I am sad that economic worries overcame foreign policy ethical doubts.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:36 am
What lesson will you believe the conservatives should have learned when the inevitable baton change occurs next time, or the time after, Timber?

Other than the one that all pollies should know - that their time in the sun will pass...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 9 Oct, 2004 07:37 am
timberlandko wrote:
The lesson quite simply is that The People DO want more of the same.



Oppopsite to timber, I belive that Howard just played this "election game" better, e.g. when getting the support of the traditionally Labour (Tasmanian) forest worker unions ... Sad
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