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The coming Oz election thread ...

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 06:29 pm
You might have noticed that there were no bribes & promises (from either side) for those on pensions & welfare. So if you're unemployed, retired & living on a pension, living on a disability pension, etc, there was no handout for you. Instead, the Libs have been looking at ways to REDUCE what you receive!:

Cabinet moots welfare cuts for 1.2m
By Josh Gordon
Economics Correspondent/the AGE
Canberra
September 29, 2004

More than one million Australians on welfare would see their future payments eroded under a secret Coalition proposal to save money and encourage people to enter the workforce.

A leaked cabinet submission from late last year proposes watering down indexation of working-age pensions by increasing them in line with prices, not wages. This would freeze the real value of benefits at today's levels rather than rising, as age pensions do, in line with workers' incomes.

The Coalition has been grappling with a huge increase in the number of people getting disability support pensions - about 5 per cent of the working-age population, 662,600 people.

The submission, obtained by The Age, suggests that working-age pensions - including disability support payments and the single parenting payment - should be merged with a range of allowances - including the Youth Allowance and Newstart - to create a single working-age welfare payment.

This would save the Government about $1.3 billion over four years.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/28/poll_pledges_narrowweb__200x270.jpg

Mean & evil stuff at a time when the Libs are throwing so many bribery $$$$ about! But short-sighted, too! Imagine all the votes that could be bought if the Libs bribed welfare recipients with the possibilty of an (almost) liveable income! Idea There are lots & lots of potential votes going to waste! But "welfare bludgers" are Labor territory & Labor voters, aren't they? So why worry? Rolling Eyes This is such an ugly election campaign. <sigh>
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 06:42 pm
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/28/moirtoon_gallery__550x365,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 08:49 pm
I find this really interesting. The strange, new phenomenum of "doctor's wives" (traditional middle class Liberal voters) who've turned against The Liberal Party. Apparently, the Lib's polling has them very worried about this group:

Meet the women who have John Howard worried
September 29, 2004
They're known as the "doctors' wives". And they may spell trouble for the Coalition.
In The Age last week, media commentator Max Suich said the term "refers to middle-class women, whom the Liberal Party would normally assume would be big-L Liberals, who have been turned off by the Howard Government's support of the Iraq war".

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/28/wealthy_women_narrowweb__200x299.jpg
size=9]The women who have become disillusioned with John Howard. From left, Pamela Swansson, Sue Smith, Aileen Halloran, Loretta Little and Gillian Trahair.[/size]

Some of the things they're now saying:
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"The Liberal Party had betrayed what I was brought up to believe in," she says. "I thought they stood for the right of the individual to live in society and be free, for the moral ground, the right thing to do."

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Hair pulled into a tight bun, Ms Smith wears black jodphurs, a crisp linen shirt and ballet scuffs. She has a "very small business" running fitness classes and looks after her grandchildren part-time. She is also a doctor's wife (husband Mitchell is a GP).

Raised as a country conservative who attended private school, she says she is a classic "small-l liberal" with a compassionate streak. She liked former Premier Rupert Hamer but marched against the Vietnam war.

But on October 9, Ms Smith will hand out how-to-vote cards for the Greens. "I admire Bob Brown very much," she says. "If the environment is stuffed, then everything else isn't going to work . . . I'll be putting the Liberals last."

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... "My husband was very conservative, Melbourne Club, friends with Jeff Kennett and all that," she says.

The fate of asylum seekers in detention converted her to political activism. She thinks she will vote Green. "I was just extraordinarily angry with what Howard and Ruddock were doing," she says. "He's a cunning, clever man, there's been lying about so many issues."

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.. For 61-year-old Gillian Trahair, opposition to the Iraq war is at the heart of her disdain for the Howard Government. "He knew jolly well that there were no weapons there. He won't accept responsibility for anything, ever . . . the truth doesn't matter any more," she says.

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... If anyone exemplifies the incongruities that sometimes emerge in modern politics it is Ms Swansson, the former Liberal staffer who is preparing to vote Green but is also an avowed monarchist.

Her message for the PM? "You are dishonest, morally corrupt and you will do anything to remain in power. I want you to know that I know that."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/28/1096137237411.html

Fascinating! So these are the new members of the Greens? Strange times we live in!
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 08:59 pm
Gosh, reading that (above) article in my paper this morning was mind boggling. There's a revolution happening out there! Surprised
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 10:49 pm
At least the Aussies seem more aware of what's going on than many here in the US. I can't believe how blind so many Yanks are; then again, Kerry doesn't exactly inspire confidence. Sigh.

You might have three more years, but we might have four more years. Gads, we might move to Canada or Mexico if that happens.

See ya next week--we are seeing Urs and BigDice in Denver for the next few day.

Keep up the good work and the good fight Msolga.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 12:40 am
Diane

This thread is biased! Laughing There are many taken in by Howard & co. It appears to be neck & neck at the miment.Sad

Have a lovely holiday with dys, urs & bigdice. Say hello to erveryone for me, Diane! Very Happy
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 12:46 am
The majority of Australians were against the war.

To their credit, the current government never tried to paint such beliefs - and their expression - as "unpatriotic" or "un-Australian", as the right in the USA have tried to do to Americans who are anti-war
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 12:52 am
Yes, we most certainly were against the Iraq invasion, Deb. I was referring to the vote buying & scare campaigns that Howard has been running in my comment.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 12:55 am
Oh, yes - I know.

And I think the smegger is gonna win........



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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 01:08 am
Shocked

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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 01:32 am
OK, I've recovered now ... <sniff, honk..>

No, I've decided that the Oz voters would never be so foolish, so opportunistic, so short sighted, Deb. Nope, they're gonna go for integrity, vision & equity! Very Happy And Latham will win by a nostril hair. With the help of the Greens.

There! I feel better now! Very Happy
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 01:50 am
Well, that's my story & I'm sticking to it!
Should life turn out differently on the morning of October 10 I'm gonna get hideously, horribly drunk! Evil or Very Mad
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 02:43 am
Gotta be prepared - buying in the tequila yet?????
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 29 Sep, 2004 05:32 pm
Laughing No!

Have faith, Deb, have faith! It aint over till/if the rodent crows!
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2004 05:33 am
Latham's bold pitch to seniors
By Michelle Grattan
Political Editor/the AGE
Brisbane
September 30, 2004

Opposition Leader Mark Latham yesterday made a bold pitch for John Howard's heartland of older voters, promising immediate access to free hospital care for all Australians over 75, more frequent pension increases and a new grandparents allowance.

.. Under a $2.9 billion "Medicare Gold" plan, Mr Latham said a Labor government would, from July 2006, pay for the nation's most senior citizens in both public and private hospitals, so they would no longer need private health insurance and would not have to wait for elective surgery.

Labor said the exit of the elderly from private health insurance would have flow-on benefits for younger people, allowing a 12 per cent drop in health insurance premiums rates and saving a family $242 on a current annual premium of $2016......

(complete article)
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/29/1096401649498.html?oneclick=true
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2004 05:42 am
But hang on: News is just breaking that Howard will make some sort of counter offer to oldies tomorrow!:

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/30/1096527865174.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2004 05:52 am
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,384307,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2004 06:10 pm
Tony Abbott & Archbishop Pell?
Hmmmmmmm ... Interesting!
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2004 04:44 pm
A week to go & I've got the jitters. I'm certain I'm not alone in feeling this way. Still no clear indication voters' intentions from polling. Each poll seems to say something different. (not that polls are always accurate .. Rolling Eyes ) .. And I'm sure that I'm not alone in switching off from the non-stop bribes, followed by counter bribes, followed by new bribes.This is NOT inspirational politics, to state the obvious. Rolling Eyes

Here's a letter to the Editor from my AGE this morning. I couldn't agree more. <sigh>:

More to life than economic growth, Mr Howard
October 2, 2004

It is said that oppositions are not voted in, governments are voted out. Many commentators have therefore concluded that Australia's strong economy should lead to re-election of the Coalition. Why then, at least according to public opinion polls, is this election remotely close? It is because many people believe that there is more to life than GDP growth, government debt and interest rates.

John Howard says non-economic policy is without value unless you have a strong economy. To the contrary, economic strength is worth little unless it translates into improved living standards. Access to free and high-quality health care and education are indicative of living standards. GDP growth by itself, is not.

John Howard has failed to realise that many voters do not have one-issue minds. They see the destruction of services that governments are expected to provide; they see this at a time when Australia can most afford these services. The economy is more heavily taxed than ever, tax cuts are essentially off the Coalition's agenda, and budget surpluses are whittled away in election spending sprees that target the few.

Like their American counterparts, it is unlikely that Australian voters care that their leader has been dishonest, but they do care that bulk-billing doctors are an endangered species. Australians are broadly unconcerned that they may have been involved in a war that does not help to address the true dangers to our national security, but they do care that accessing a decent education increasingly involves spending thousands of dollars.

Commentators have correctly identified a probable Coalition win, but they have failed to identify the reasons election 2004 is close. Putting aside truth in government and national security, there are more than enough reasons to vote this government out.

Sam Killmier, Brunswick
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2004 04:50 pm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,384712,00.jpg
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