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The coming Oz election thread ...

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 04:07 pm
Howard, Downer divided on terror
By Mark Forbes, Michelle Grattan
Canberra
September 22, 2004

Mr Downer (Oz Foreign Minisiter) said yesterday Mr Howard's restated support for pre-emptive attacks on terrorists in other countries was not directed at Asia.

But Mr Howard, when asked if the pre-emption threat included countries in South-East Asia, replied: "Of course it does."


..Malaysian Deputy Prime Minister Najib Razak has condemned Australia's stance and rejected Mr Howard's proposal to place Australian Federal Police counter-terrorism squads in the region.

..Indonesian ambassador to Australia Imron Cotan said the pre-emption claims were "about domestic politics".

JI, the group behind the Jakarta attack and Bali bombing, is centred in Indonesia and trains operatives in the Philippines.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/21/tandberg_elec.jpg

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/21/1095651324466.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 04:23 pm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,381693,00.jpg
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dlowan
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 04:39 pm
Oh good - a new malaysian government - no more stupid anti-oz for the sake of it games - scuttled in one fell swoop.

Fabbo.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 04:48 pm
But would the word "recalcitrant" be such a prominent part of our vocabulary if it wasn't for the last leader? Laughing

It's Indonesia that I'm fixated on at the moment, Deb. Post Megawati (fabulous name/hope I've spelt it correctly) I want to see what the new fellow's attitude to JI will be & whether we repair our damaged relationship with them. (Thanks, rodent! Rolling Eyes )
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gozmo
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 06:22 pm
I think recalcitrant flattered Mahathir. He was a bigoted, corrupt, cruel, dictatorial and shameless racist.
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2004 07:03 pm
Pauline Hanson. If she gets up in Queensland that is proof incontrovertible that those convicts regularly mated with sheep.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 08:17 am
Crikey on Family First:

Family First's repeated denials that it is a religious based party is interesting considering its birth inside the most aggressively proselytising denomination in Australia.

It is a political reality that minor parties often stand candidates in lower house seats with little chance of success out of principle or to try to tip someone else over the line on their preference. This seems to be key role number one of Family First - but it has another, more insidious task it seems to be attempting, too.

Family First seems to be an attempt to create a neutral brand name in an attempt to ensure that the religious conservative vote can flourish and grow firmly under the control of the Assemblies of God, or the slightly wider umbrella it also goes by, the Australian Christian Churches.

Fred Nile's Christian Democratic Party has long relied on support from AOG Churches, but was most certainly never under the sway of its leaders, people like prominent minister Brian Houston of Hillsong. Nile's and Gordon Moyes MLC's Uniting Church links have always been problematical, given that the non-evangelical wing of that denomination could best be described as the Australian Democrats at prayer (or perhaps deity interfacing).

Family First is an attempt to create a brand that has a broad enough appeal to appeal to voters who are not fundamentalists and may not even be churchgoers, but may well send their children to non-government church schools for the quality of moral teaching they receive.

However, despite assurances of having an ecumenical board, Family First is overwhelmingly a branch of one specific - and autocratic - church movement, the Assemblies of God.

Their policies were not drafted by party branches, but by pastors. Any attempt at debate about the merits of those policies are likely to be rebuffed by claims of a lack of respect for the spiritual authority of church leaders. Infallibility and democracy, surprise, surprise, do not mix.

PS Yesterday's "God on their side - Part 2" item said that Family First were supporting Bob Katter in Leichhardt. Katter, of course, is the candidate for Kennedy. The Family First target is Liberal MP Warren Entsch, who behaved quite uncharacteristically and threatened to opposed the ban on same sex marriage. The independent Family First is supporting is Jen Sackely - who no one seems to know a thing about.

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gozmo
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 08:35 am
has there been some censorship here ??? I'm sure I posted a comment about Family First and AOG.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 08:37 am
You did, gozmo. Unfortunately, with A2K's problems tonight, something like 5 days of posts have been lost from ALL threads.
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Thok
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 08:47 am
gozmo wrote:
I'm sure I posted a comment about Family First and AOG.


look there
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3463


In the meanwhile Howard launches the election campaign....
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Diane
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 08:50 am
Msolga, I continue to be stunned at how similar the OZ government is to ours (hopefully, soon to be replaced administration).

Who is Crikey? I loved his
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"...given that the non-evangelical wing of that denomination could best be described as the Australian Democrats at prayer (or perhaps deity interfacing). "


Deity interfacing--that's what the world needs right now; jealous, vengeful gods interfacing! Politics at its lowest possible level. Hmmm, we're almost there, aren't we?
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 08:56 am
Editorial
A giant slice from the magic pudding
September 28, 2004/SMH


The alliance of policy to politics is amply demonstrated by the distance between John Howard's re-election campaign launch in 2001 and his display on Sunday. Three years ago electioneering was forged by the emotion - elicited by Mr Howard, not initiated by him - that swirled around the twin issues of border security and international terrorism. The Prime Minister limited his spending largesse to one centrepiece promise - the $1.2 billion five-year ill-fated baby bonus. He did not need any more, and he knew it.

On Sunday Mr Howard was far less certain. He left nothing to chance, pledging $6 billion in new measures from child care to Medicare, from stay-at-home mums to at-home minnow businesses, from tax breaks for small business to tipping the funding of schools and technical training on its head. He confronted Labor in its old heartland and shored up key Coalition constituencies. The splurge lifted the four-year cost of new measures, beginning with the May budget, to more than $60 billion. Mr Howard almost certainly won himself and his Government many votes.

Just as certainly, he surrendered much of his claim to disciplined economic management, effectively renounced the economic philosophy that guided his Government's restoration of the Australian economy and exposed himself to the very claim with which he wants to spear his Labor rival - that the election of a Mark Latham government would inevitably lift interest rates. It opens Mr Howard to challenge on this point, if his projected four-year surpluses - probably $10 billion to $15 billion - shrink to deficits and high spending puts pressure on interest rates.

Big spending carries big risks. Magic Pudding economics will not preserve the capacity to finance the Howard promises if there is a halt to the extraordinary run of growth for which the Howard Government is entitled to much credit. But Mr Howard is a wily politician. He knows voters are attracted to hip-pocket incentives more than they are scared by macroeconomic criticism. This huge spending holds the promise of huge political rewards.

Nowhere is the spending more contentious than with schools and technical colleges because Mr Howard promises to bypass the states and go it alone. The extra $1 billion to build new classrooms, libraries and other facilities in state and private schools will be appreciated. Parents and principals will approach the Federal Government directly for funds, with Canberra deciding which schools deserve them. This will have particular appeal to parents who believe state governments have failed public education and are captives of teacher union ideology and resistant to reform. Disingenuously, Mr Howard calls this doing things "a little differently". There is nothing little about it. This one-time champion of states' rights has turned his back on federalism with the assertion that a Canberra bureaucracy is guaranteed to better judge the order of need and to keep supply ahead of demand. Mr Howard's planned technical colleges program is another blow aimed deliberately at the states. The two dozen new colleges would be run by the Federal Government - with teachers paid on performance, a deliberate swipe at the reluctance of government-school teachers' unions to make pay a function of pedagogic skill.

The schools program will be a winner among parents running fetes to finance even basic school facilities, or battling to rid their state school of a sub-standard teacher. The proposed technical colleges, and related programs, are an overdue recognition of skills shortages already upon us, while expanding the range of vocational opportunities for school leavers. All good politics, but not all good management. Mr Howard's education initiatives pose a blackboard full of unanswered questions about how they are to be administered; they look like a $2 billion boondoggle that a government could manipulate to improve its chances in marginal seats. Running these education initiatives from Canberra raises the alarming prospect of new or expanded federal bureaucracies, duplicating work already done by six state education administrations. A federal government should use its financial clout to rationalise inefficiencies between Canberra and the states, not multiply them. The proposals merely make worse a federal system already characterised by Mr Howard as dysfunctional.

There is nothing as radical in Mr Howard's families and child care package, with its 30 per cent tax rebate on out-of-pocket child-care costs and a $300 annual increase in maximum Family Tax Benefit Part B. The two measures will cost $2.1 billion over four years. The tax rebate will be welcomed by thousands of parents who find the benefits of work substantially eroded by child-care costs. The concern, however, must be that what is intended as a boost for parents will instead encourage child-care providers to lift charges. Having offered the rebate to working parents, Mr Howard says the boost to Family Tax Benefit B is "to ensure complete fairness of treatment for families" because it is available to families with one primary income earner. If fairness is the aim, however, the Coalition might have directed the $1.1 billion three-year subsidy to those in greatest need, rather than boosting a payment that goes to the rich as well as the poor. It sounds a lot like the "middle-class welfare" the Government justifiably finds objectionable outside election mode.

Mr Howard insists he is expanding the choice of Australians. There are simpler, more effective courses to that end than piling on duplicated bureaucracy and tax complexity. He might start with meaningful tax cuts because cash in hand extends choice.

The Howard package, however, has Labor in a pincer. Mr Latham can persevere in his campaign launch tomorrow to accuse Mr Howard of a reckless spending spree. But Mr Latham knows he is in a bidding war for votes and few voters will opt for sound economic strategy over a truckload of goodies. That is the triumph of politics over policy.


http://www.smh.com.au/editorial/
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 09:12 am
Diane wrote:
Msolga, I continue to be stunned at how similar the OZ government is to ours (hopefully, soon to be replaced administration).

Who is Crikey? I loved his
Quote:
"...given that the non-evangelical wing of that denomination could best be described as the Australian Democrats at prayer (or perhaps deity interfacing). "


Deity interfacing--that's what the world needs right now; jealous, vengeful gods interfacing! Politics at its lowest possible level. Hmmm, we're almost there, aren't we?


Yes, we almost are, Diane. <sigh>

"Crikey" is crikey.com.au ... It's an Oz internet site that exposes political dirty doings, often with information leaked by "insiders". It's had it's very influential & controversial moments in the past ... a little more respectable now. "Crikey" is an old fashioned Oz slang term for surprise. As in: Crikey, can you believe that?! Shocked

Yes, Diane, as I keep say, Howard & Bush are using the same script! Sad
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 05:09 pm
Spending spree halves budget surplus
By Josh Gordon, Misha Schubert
September 28, 2004


Coalition spending announcements over the past two-and-a-half weeks have almost sliced next year's budget surplus in half, Treasurer Peter Costello said yesterday.

Conceding there was "not a lot of room for error" if the economy slowed unexpectedly, he said the 2005-06 surplus would be about $2.7 billion and the 2006-07 surplus would be $4.5 billion.

..Just 17 days ago, Treasury released its pre-election budget update, predicting surpluses of $5.1 billion for 2005-06 and $6.9 billion the following year.

..The Coalition announced new policies costing $52 billion in the May Budget. Since then it has announced spending another $16 billion, including $12 billion during the official election campaign.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/27/1096137167654.html?oneclick=true
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 27 Sep, 2004 05:45 pm
This is for you, Diane. Smile (Nothing to do with Howard's spending junket that's driving us all nuts today.)
This little cartoon neatly portrays Bush & latham/Labor's strained relationship. Bush far prefers his "man of steel", you know who & you know why! Laughing )

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,1658,351256,00.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 08:45 am
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/28/280904toon_gallery__500x343,0.gif
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 09:14 am
Msolga, is there a Cheney figure next to Howard running the show? Loved the cartoons--they are appropriate for either country.

BTW, I knew what crikey meant--my grandmother used it all the time--I just wasn't sure what the organization was all about. I'll check it out now.
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 05:34 pm
Diane

No, unfortunately Howard runs his own agenda. His major influences?: His happiest days in the 50s when life was simple & no one questioned anything they were told, George Bush, radio talkback, what the polls are telling him & his wife (his closest confidant!). Not only is he a "man of steel" but a man of vision! Rolling Eyes
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 05:39 pm
Idea An extremely depressing thought: A week & a half till the election! We have become so used to being in campaign mode that it seems to be a permanent state of affairs. But, but .... What if we wake up on Sunday the 10th of October 7 he's still there! Shocked Sad Mad

Three more years? Crying or Very sad
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 28 Sep, 2004 06:09 pm
Warning on 'wasteful' poll pledges
By Tim Colebatch
Economics Editor/the AGE
Canberra
September 29, 2004

A leading economic forecaster has accused the Coalition and Labor of raiding the nation's finances and making wasteful election promises that will help plunge the federal budget heavily into deficit next year.

... Access Economics says Australia is about to enter a sharp slowdown that will reduce the revenues both parties have pledged to spend.

It criticises both for turning the election campaign into "a short-sighted raid on public finances -

It says the money spent on tax cuts, family benefits, health and education should have been used to raise productivity and workforce participation, and save for the future.

"Judged against the yardsticks of raising productivity, raising participation and/or saving for the future, 2004 was mostly a missed chance. What a waste of an opportunity," it says.

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/09/28/poll_pledges_narrowweb__200x270.jpg

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/28/1096137242491.html
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