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The coming Oz election thread ...

 
 
drom et reve
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2004 04:33 am
msolga wrote:
(It becomes confusing this Labour/Labor business, doesn't it?)


It does! People go around saying that England should be spoken by all, but it's often twice as confusing as everything else!

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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2004 04:34 am
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/08/19/edcart2008_gallery__550x300.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2004 04:38 am
dròm_et_rêve wrote:
msolga wrote:
(It becomes confusing this Labour/Labor business, doesn't it?)


It does! People go around saying that England should be spoken by all, but it's often twice as confusing as everything else!




Yes. And why it's the Australian LABOR Party beats me! Confused
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2004 04:48 am
The Australian Labor Party was originally established as a workers' party. Trade unions & much more "left" than under Keating, Hawke, etc. It re-defined itself to gain a broader cross-section of voters. The "old" Labor was considered too marginalized & not appealing enough for middle class voters. Not a vote winner. The transformation from "old" to "new" has been so complete that on many issues the Libs & Labor have almost identical policies. And they DID become more successful. <sigh> There you go .... Confused Sad

Other Oz A2Kers may have different interpretations. This is how I see it.


Pssst ... I have a soft spot for Tony Benn.
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2004 05:12 am
Sorry about that, Drom ... accidentally sent my last post before completing it. Then got stuck in spellcheck. Shocked Laughing
Anyway, I finally got the whole thing posted, so hopefully now it makes more sense.... Phew!)
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msolga
 
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Reply Fri 20 Aug, 2004 05:21 am
Howard wants Latham fit for election
August 20, 2004 - 7:04PM

Prime Minister John Howard wants Opposition Leader Mark Latham to be fit and healthy for the coming election, ruling out any move to cash in his illness by going to the polls before he has fully recovered.
"I just want him fit and well," Mr Howard told Melbourne radio 3AW. "I want to beat a fit and well Mark Latham fair and square."

Mr Latham is due to leave hospital tomorrow after being admitted last Wednesday with pancreatitis. ........

Link to full article:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/20/1092972741605.html


Oh yeah!
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 01:32 am
What has happened to Howard
August 21, 2004

The opposition leader of the '80s may barely recognise the Prime Minister of today, writes Shuan Carney.

Political life must have taken on a familiar and unwelcome feel for John Howard for a few brief moments this week, as he was subjected to the indignity of being hectored by journalists demanding to know if he would take a polygraph test. Howard knows from his first stint as Liberal leader from 1985 to 1989 what it is like to be hounded and humiliated as forces beyond his control take him to ever-more bizarre and difficult places. ...


... when Howard returned to the leadership in early 1995, his chief weapons against Paul Keating were drawn from his well-established armoury. He attacked Keating as cynical, unethical, unprincipled, with a disregard for the truth and a lack of respect for Parliament and the views of others. .......

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/08/20/1092972744788.html

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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 11:06 am
msolga wrote:
The Australian Labor Party was originally established as a workers' party. Trade unions & much more "left" than under Keating, Hawke, etc. It re-defined itself to gain a broader cross-section of voters. The "old" Labor was considered too marginalized & not appealing enough for middle class voters. Not a vote winner. The transformation from "old" to "new" has been so complete that on many issues the Libs & Labor have almost identical policies. And they DID become more successful. <sigh> There you go .... Confused Sad

Other Oz A2Kers may have different interpretations. This is how I see it.


Pssst ... I have a soft spot for Tony Benn.


That's what happened in England, exactly the same. Do you think that any of the third parties would ever get reasonable power?

(Sotto voce:) I like Tony Benn lots, too Very Happy. When he retired from parliament, (making a comment on the whip system-- does Australia have this?) he said, 'I'm now officially going into politics.'
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fortune
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 12:48 pm
I believe, from what little I can remember from Politics class in highschool, that the transformation from 'old' to 'new' in the Labor party happened when all the, ahem, socialists left to form the Australian Democrats. I may have that totally screwed up but I'm sure someone will come along soon to correct me.
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drom et reve
 
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Reply Sat 21 Aug, 2004 02:38 pm
Were those socialists not like normal socialists, just like the Liberal Party is mindbogglingly not liberal?


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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 04:57 am
fortune wrote:
I believe, from what little I can remember from Politics class in highschool, that the transformation from 'old' to 'new' in the Labor party happened when all the, ahem, socialists left to form the Australian Democrats. I may have that totally screwed up but I'm sure someone will come along soon to correct me.


Hi fortune. Nice to see you here. Very Happy
Hey, I never actually saw the Democrats as socialists.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 05:01 am
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/08/23/toon-22-08,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 05:09 am
http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2004/08/23/toon-22-08,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 05:10 am
Not much happening in the "phoney" election campaign front, recently. But there have been a lot of articles/commentary/discussion about Howard, truth & integrity in government.


So it looks like we could be having a November election, then? Confused
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fortune
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 05:15 am
You're quite right Msolga. I must blush, I was confusing the names of the parties. (I'm such a scatter brain sometimes). I think the one I was actually looking for was the DLP- Democratic Labor Party of Australia, but then I could be mixing that one up again. (Urgh, have you seen the AEC website? There's about a zillion names and they all sound the same)
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 05:19 am
Not to worry, fortune.
I sorta suspected that's that what you were refering to, but wasn't sure. No, I haven't seen the web site. I must have a look!
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Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 05:57 am
The Democrats were formed by Don Chipp, who actually started out in the Liberal party!
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Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 05:58 am
But it seems the Greens have pretty successfully taken over the middle ground of Oz politics these days.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 06:02 am
Wilso wrote:
The Democrats were formed by Don Chipp, who actually started out in the Liberal party!


Yep, he & the Democrats were going to "keep the bastards honest". Too bad about Meg Lees & the GST, hey? Kind of ruined the image.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Mon 23 Aug, 2004 07:00 am
fortune wrote:
I believe, from what little I can remember from Politics class in highschool, that the transformation from 'old' to 'new' in the Labor party happened when all the, ahem, socialists left to form the Australian Democrats. I may have that totally screwed up but I'm sure someone will come along soon to correct me.



Nope. Democrats formed out of a breakaway group of Liberals in South Australia, for whom the liberals were too conservative.

Socialists indeed! Creampuffs.

I very much hope your did NOT learn that in a politics class - the standard of teaching really stunk if you did!
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