Nat093
 
Reply Mon 11 May, 2015 11:35 am
Hello. Can you tell me which of these two forms is more commonly used in English? as in:
1) On the table there are some fruit.
2) On the table there are some fruits.
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2015 11:52 am
@Nat093,
Actually, what I'd use is the following: On the table there is some fruit.
Nat093
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2015 12:13 pm
@Ragman,
I made an error. I meant to write "there is", but I can't edit it now.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2015 04:39 pm
@Nat093,
Collo: There's some fruit on the table

Quote:
1) On the table there are some fruit.
We might use this construction to suggest special circumstances, depending on emphasis:

ON: Most of the fruit is under the table
TABLE: He's been looking elsewhere
ARE: The table is an unexpected place to find fruit
SOME: But most of it is found elsewhere
FRUIT: We had expected to find something else
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2015 04:48 pm
@Nat093,
Nat the "there" might be omitted

1) On the table are some fruit.

2) On the table are some fruits. Suggesting more than one kind
Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2015 01:18 pm
@dalehileman,
And if you omit "there" in a sentence, does it make a sentence sound more informal?
dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2015 01:52 pm
@Nat093,
Yea Nat I'd say so, except where it's essential to the meaning
Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2015 02:32 pm
@dalehileman,
OK thank you Wink
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2015 02:44 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Nat the "there" might be omitted

1) On the table are some fruit.

2) On the table are some fruits. Suggesting more than one kind



1) Is, definitely not are.
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layman
 
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Reply Tue 12 May, 2015 03:19 pm
@dalehileman,
Quote:
2) On the table are some fruits. Suggesting more than one kind


You have answered this question differently than others (who I agree with) here, Dale. His question is, basically, "is fruit singular or inherently plural."

Generally (maybe not "inherently") fruit is used as both singular and plural.

We normally would say "there is some fruit on the table in both of the following cases"

1. There are some apples on the table
2. There are some apples, oranges, bananas, and peaches on the table.

I have used "are," not "is" here, because I am breaking it down into individual items or categories.

But the category itself (fruit) is singular, and includes all varieties of fruit.

There are rare exceptions--i.e, where you are trying to distinguish varieties from within the class from each other, but those cases don't come up often in everyday speech.


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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2015 06:42 am
@Nat093,
Nat093 wrote:

I made an error. I meant to write "there is", but I can't edit it now.


On the table there is some fruit.
The point is moot. The verb change doesn't matter in this case. Weirdly enough, that sentence one would still be the conversationally correct.
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usery
 
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Reply Wed 13 May, 2015 07:21 am
@Nat093,
Quote:
Hello. Can you tell me which of these two forms is more commonly used in English? as in:
1) On the table there are some fruit.
2) On the table there are some fruits.


No-one talks or writes like that. Try :

There's fruit on the table.

The fruit's on the table.

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