Bernie's In

@edgarblythe,

He isent the only one that has noticed your and Lashes Bernie is the messiah rant as much as you both want to deny it.

@edgarblythe,

Because it was taught in schools from the 1950's until the 1999,s that communisn and socialism were the devils spawn. For damn near 50 years kids were taught there wasent any difference in them and both were evil. If Bernie is nominated you will see just how much early learning effects attitude. The republicans will have a field day.

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@RABEL222,

I think you are right that socialism is a fear word, at least in part that americans don't read much past their noses. I'm american, I miss stuff about basketball and other stuff.

On the other hand I do get Bernie.
However, I don't want to lose this election.
Call me watching.

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@RABEL222,

Except that the alternative candidate, Trump or Cruz, is guaranted to scare many people too. It's now or never. America badly neefs a dose of socialism.

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@RABEL222,

Only a dumbass will think I am guilty of a messiah fixation. That is just a diversion to keep us from considering the issues involved here. Sort of like a fear tactic. So screw the people wanting to hijack the topic that way.

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

I' not aware of any free money our goivernment has given oil companies, but I agree we have been wise enough to let them produce wealth for us all.

It's interesting to note that there was damn little trickledown from Obama's 2008 infrastructure spending program. The verious Federal and State bureaucracies used the money to take care of themselves while the country suffered in a serious recession.

Government doesn't create either jobs or wealth. It consumes the wealth of others who on average would otherwise usually spend it in more beneficial economic ways in creating new enterprises and new demand. Investment in business activities generally created a good deal more employment and propperity per dollar than does government spending for anything. That said we need government for essential services and some (not all) of our infrastructure.

The ongoing sad and even tragic fiasco in Venezuela is an excellent example of the worst aspects of misguided government efforts to control economic activity. The results for thre Venezuelan people are far short of what was promised to them by their "saviors' in the "Bolivarian revolution".

It does no good to use Obama as an argument with me, since I have criticized him too.

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/hillary-vs-iowa-213544

Fascinating!

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

Only a dumbass will think I am guilty of a messiah fixation. That is just a diversion to keep us from considering the issues involved here. Sort of like a fear tactic. So screw the people wanting to hijack the topic that way.

I'm sure you don't intend "dumbass" as an insult, or anything personal, because you're above all that. Just like you're above lifting up a 30 year veteran Washington politician to messiah/superhero status.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

It does no good to use Obama as an argument with me, since I have criticized him too.

I wasn't trying to persuade you of anything - It was a conversation, and I wasn't keeping score.

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@ossobuco,

Bernie Sander's socialism doesn't bother me, I could be called a socialist when it comes to government programs and protecting the environment and so forth. What bothers me about Bernie Sanders is that I don't think his health care program has a chance of working for a number of reasons, not least of which, it will never pass congress. Also, he seems a one man show as though we don't live in the world with all it's problems.

I accept that edgar and Lash feel differently, I just wish they would accept that not everyone is quite so enthusiastic about Sanders for different reasonable reasons.

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There are lots of web sites saying this:

US taxpayers subsidising world's biggest fossil fuel companies

Shell, ExxonMobil and Marathon Petroleum got subsidises granted by politicians who received significant campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry, Guardian investigation reveals

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/12/us-taxpayers-subsidising-worlds-biggest-fossil-fuel-companies

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@georgeob1,

georgeob1 wrote:

edgarblythe wrote:

It does no good to use Obama as an argument with me, since I have criticized him too.

I wasn't trying to persuade you of anything - It was a conversation, and I wasn't keeping score.

Sorry. I am so used to arguing that I start to treat every post as antagonistic.

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@revelette2,

We can accept your not agreeing. It depends how you state the not agreeing that determines how we respond. At least, in my case.

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@edgarblythe,

Understood.

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@edgarblythe,

edgarblythe wrote:

There are lots of web sites saying this:

US taxpayers subsidising world's biggest fossil fuel companies

Shell, ExxonMobil and Marathon Petroleum got subsidises granted by politicians who received significant campaign contributions from the fossil fuel industry, Guardian investigation reveals

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/12/us-taxpayers-subsidising-worlds-biggest-fossil-fuel-companies

Well the guardian article cited only some state (not Federal) subsidies for local reineries associated with verious jobs programs. These things are common inb many industries and they certainly count for a far smaller portion of the earnings of these companies than do those of government favored wind and solar power producers. Do you remember Solyndra?

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@georgeob1,

Yes. On Solyndra:

Quote:

Solyndra
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Solyndra Corporation

Number of employees
1100 (approx)
Website www.solyndra.com[dead link]
Solyndra was a manufacturer of cylindrical panels of copper indium gallium selenide (CIGS) thin film solar cells based in Fremont, California. Although the company was once touted for its unusual technology, plummeting silicon prices led to the company's being unable to compete with conventional solar panels made of crystalline silicon.[1] The company filed for bankruptcy on September 1, 2011.[2][3][4]

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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/oil-subsidies-renewable-energy-tax-breaks

This one has everything, even a picture from the movie Giant.

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@Olivier5,

With a republican congress? If you want change, start where it will be effective. In congress, by getting the big business is master congressmen out of office. Bernie will be another ineffective president who will not get shyt done as Obama was hamstrung during his second term. Congress is where we need to make a change. Hillary has the balls to confront congress but I dont think Bernie has. Nor do I believe he can can be elected when the media starts its campaign to brand him communist. In most minds communist=socialist.

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@edgarblythe,

Watch it Edgar. Your Lash persona is beginning to come forward in the form of insults.

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@edgarblythe,

So who in the hell is arguing with you about this. Its a given which Bernie cannot possibly change with a republican congress. Until the public is made aware of how badly there being screwed the republicans will hold government and nothing will change but the 1% gaining more wealth and people like you and Lash are helping them by badmouthing the only party that might , perhaps make a change.

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