reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 08:30 am
A very big movement today is underway.

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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 08:58 am
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revelette2
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 10:00 am
@reasoning logic,
No, it means that Sanders will run into the same problem with the Medicare expansion in republican states which refused to participate, the court said they didn't have to. In effect, Sander's free college dreams would end up being not fully paid for since taxing wall street will only bring up 2/3rds of the revenue needed to cover the cost even if by some lucky chance it manages to pass this partisan congress which does everything it can to keep from bills from passing which are not even half as ambitious. We would have to have a super majority long enough to pass it and sign it, but again, you run into states who will most likely either refuse to pay for or really can't pay for it leaving Bernie's college plan not fully funded.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 10:02 am
@revelette2,
Well summarized about the realities of political promises. Laughable at best.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 02:52 pm
Mark Ruffalo in a personal interview with Bernie. I was so glad to see this.
https://youtu.be/kfqNRReOXmA
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 05:35 pm
@edgarblythe,
That's nice, I liked him in the fifties.
I listen.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 06:11 pm
Kasich and Bernie are the only candidates in the race with a positive likability rating.

Clinton and Trump are largely hated.

What a disaster for our country.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/unpopularity-contest-poll-shows-grim-outlook-2016-winner
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 06:36 pm
@Lash,
GW Bush was pretty much the most likable President we ever had. Too bad he didn't just have beers with people instead of trying to run the country.
Lash
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 06:50 pm
@engineer,
I think it's really odd that two people who have such excessively, historically high UNlikability scores are frontrunners. Seems fishy.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/poll-hillary-clinton-unfavorable-numbers-118532
Blickers
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 07:26 pm
@Lash,
Like you haven't been flogging every "scandal" the Republicans have pushing about Hillary. As the election nears, the phony "scandals" will disappear from the public consciousness, much to your dismay, and people will concentrate on bread-and-butter issues.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 08:19 pm
@engineer,
Likable to whom? War criminals are not on my likability list.
snood
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 08:31 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Likable to whom? War criminals are not on my likability list.

Aw fer...You know what he meant, edgar. They were talking about the national polls showing that Hillary and Trump are not thought of as likable. All the polls used to show Shrub Bush as likable as hell.
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 08:32 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Likable to whom? War criminals are not on my likability list.


From 2004, long after Bush's war criminal actions were in place.
Quote:
At a prayer breakfast the morning after the third 1988 presidential debate in Los Angeles, Democratic candidate Michael Dukakis turned to Jesse Jackson and said, "Jesse, there's a new word in the political lexicon — 'likability.' "
The befuddled Dukakis was responding to critics who said the rather wooden Massachusetts governor lost the debate because he failed to project "likability" in his face-off with then-Vice President George H.W. Bush.

Critics referred specifically to his mechanical response when asked if he would favor the death penalty if his wife were raped and murdered.

Dukakis never got it. He believed being hardworking, honest, knowledgeable, experienced and articulate were the main qualifications for president. What's to like?

He lost, in large part, because he never connected on a personal level with most American voters. They found his dour, eat-your-peas personality hard to take.

Now, another son of Massachusetts, John Kerry, finds himself facing the likability hurdle as he runs for president. And a high one it is indeed.

President Bush, despite his many problems, strikes most of the American people as a pretty nice guy — the kind of guy they would feel comfortable with if he showed up at their front door. The more standoffish Kerry projects little warmth.

A recent Zogby/Williams Identity Poll reflected that. It found that 57% of undecided voters would rather have a beer with Bush than Kerry. (In Bush's case, it would be a nonalcoholic beer.)

While both were raised with silver spoons in their mouths and both went to Yale, Bush comes off as less pretentious and more down to earth. Kerry sounds like he is lecturing people rather than holding a conversation with them.

"Snob" is a word often used by people when asked how Kerry strikes them. "Nice guy" is the way many express their response to Bush.

ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 08:36 pm
@engineer,
that seems annoyingly correct
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 18 Apr, 2016 08:41 pm
Makes no difference what that article says, likability is in the eye of the beholder. I never remotely liked him even when he ran for governor. I could not believe people would even nominate a duty shirking guy that could not talk and barely knew anything relevant.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2016 12:36 am
@edgarblythe,
Only the imbeciles liked W, because he was one of them.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2016 07:19 am
I know I am harping on Bernie/Pope Francis, but the whole thing plays out like some kind of movie script. Another layer has been revealed as to how Sanders actually had the meeting with the Pope. His secretary came to Bernie Sanders where Sanders was having dinner and told him if he wanted to meet with the Pope to be at a certain place at a certain time.

Quote:
According to The New York Times, a personal secretary to the pope found Sanders while he was at dinner and told him where and when to be if he wanted to catch Francis. It may be mostly one-sided, but the love affair of Bernie and Francis is not unrequited: Against all logic, the world’s foremost Catholic theologian and a socialist who’s running for United States president have found a jam.


source
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2016 07:24 am
@revelette2,
The Vatican is less than a mile from where I stand. I could enquire if you are that interested... :-)

But yeah, that sounds like what they say here: the Pope wanted to meet with Sanders but it had to look fortuitous, to retain some plausible deniability in case too many people object.
revelette2
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2016 07:31 am
@Olivier5,
Oh, please, they say that there with what evidence? Did the Pope whisper his secret desire to his secretary just to meet with Sanders? It was that important to the Pope on the way to meet with refugees from the Greek Island to meet with a "democrat" candidate of the US elections? I don't think so.

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/57128bb35124c961338b4567-800/ap-the-latest-lesbos-migrant-boat-stopped-ahead-of-pope-visit.jpg
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 19 Apr, 2016 07:35 am
@revelette2,
The pope's secretary would never do anything like that without the pope's backing. And yes, it was important for him to try and boost Sanders a wee bit, because they think alike on so many issues.
 

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