Lash
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 05:44 am
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bernie-sanders-hints-eliz_b_8928406.html
Hinting at Elizabeth.
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Lash
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 06:50 am
http://abc7ny.com/1188161/
National polls trending to Bernie Sanders.
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 07:49 am
Here's another take on Bernie and race relations.

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Vermont’s Black Leaders: We Were ‘Invisible’ to Bernie Sanders

He’s paying attention to the concerns of black America now, as a presidential candidate. Back when he represented Vermont? Not so much, local activists say.

Back in 2006, the Vermont Partnership for Fairness and Diversity, a Brattleboro area civil rights organization hosted a Candidate Night. The race for the open U.S. Senate seat between Bernie Sanders and Richard Tarrant, a Republican and one of the wealthiest people in the state, had grown increasingly acrimonious.

The audience of African-American activists and other Vermonters of color should have been a friendly one for the socialist congressman.Instead, remembers Curtiss Reed Jr., the executive director of the group, it became something of a showdown. Sanders “was just really dismissive of anything that had to do with race and racism, saying that they didn’t have anything to do with the issues of income inequality,” Reed told The Daily Beast.

“He just always kept coming back to income inequality as a response, as if talking about income inequality would somehow make issues of racism go away.”
And since winning that race, Sanders’s approach toward Reed and his organization has been one of “benign neglect,” the activist added. “We are a major statewide organization. It would stand to reason that you would check in with your major constituents, but voters of color are simply not on his radar.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/vermont-s-black-leaders-we-were-invisible-to-bernie-sanders.html


but...surely this is a paid off plant done by Hillary operatives, right? Surely Bernie is the only one who really "deserves" the black vote, right?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 09:25 am
@snood,
2006. I wonder if he's changed his mind. I think he probably hasn't..
snood
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 10:01 am
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:

2006. I wonder if he's changed his mind. I think he probably hasn't..

Honestly, my impression of Bernie is that the only reason he even started addressing race and racial issues is because he got pushed by BLM. No, all of his minions are sayinjg he has ALWAYS been a fighter for racial justice, but they can't connect the dots between marching in 1960's to about 50 days ago, when he started being a racial justice champion.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 04:37 pm
Hard for me to believe no one challenged that last assertion of mine. I'm going to have to do some more research about what Bernie (and Hillary) actually did for the cause of racial justice between the '60s and now.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 04:44 pm
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_democratic_presidential_nomination-3824.html

Polling Data Poll Date Sample MoE Clinton Sanders Spread
RCP Average 2/2 - 2/15 -- -- 49.3 36.5 Clinton +12.8
Quinnipiac 2/10 - 2/15 563 LV 4.1 44 42 Clinton +2
USA Today/Suffolk 2/11 - 2/15 319 LV 5.5 50 40 Clinton +10
Rasmussen Reports 2/3 - 2/4 574 LV 4.5 50 32 Clinton +18
PPP (D) 2/2 - 2/3 517 LV 4.3 53 32 Clinton +21

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edit
hmm that's kind of messy but the link's good


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I wish the party had a clearer bead on who the next generation of leaders is. Not liking this old v old battle any more than I did last summer.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 04:49 pm
@ehBeth,
Thanks, ehbeth - good stuff.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 04:50 pm
@snood,
I didn't challenge, because I didn't see. One of his big themes has been, re Black Americans, to make them financially better off. Get them to where they are able to get jobs. He has, as anybody that cares to know, been pushing for civil rights and such longer than some posters here have been alive.
snood
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 04:57 pm
@edgarblythe,
And I promise to research the respective records RE racial injustice of both him and Hillary from the 1960's to now. Even outside this discussion, it would be good information for me to know. Who knows. I might see something that tilts me back.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 05:01 pm
@snood,
Good on ya snood. An open mind is a good thing.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 05:10 pm
@snood,
you might find this an interesting listen

http://www.leahrigueur.com/why-doesnt-bernie-resonate-with-black-voters/

( I heard it at a ridiculous time of the night - kept me awake for a while)


http://www.leahrigueur.com/about/

she definitely makes me think

http://www.leahrigueur.com/from-dog-whistles-to-fog-horns/

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/racial-divisiveness-as-a-campaign-strategy/416412/

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another writer's take on the problem

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/01/22/why-african-american-voters-may-doom-bernie-sanders-candidacy/
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snood
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 05:14 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I try, I try.... Cool
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2016 02:59 pm
But then, on the other hand... Drunk

Here's an analysis of the real dollar and cents of Bernie's proposed revolution:

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Bernie Sanders' Campaign Has Crossed Into Neverland
—By Kevin Drum

I've generally tried to go easy on Sanders. I like his vision, and I like his general attitude toward Wall Street. But this is insane. If anything, it's worse than the endless magic asterisks that Republicans use to pretend their tax plans will supercharge the economy and pay for themselves. It's not even remotely in the realm of reality. If it were, France and Germany and Denmark would by now be consumer paradises to make Croesus blush.

A group of stuffy establishment economists says "no credible economic research" supports Friedman's analysis, which "undermines our reputation as the party of responsible arithmetic." Or, in Austan Goolsbee's more colorful language, Sanders' plans have "evolved into magic flying puppies with winning Lotto tickets tied to their collars."

Enough is enough. Everyone needs to get back to reality. This ain't it.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/02/sanders-campaign-has-crossed-neverland
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2016 03:05 pm
@snood,
What they all propose are pie in the sky stuff that belongs in idealist comic books, but compared to the republicans, they're more sane and practical.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2016 03:43 pm
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2016/02/19/heres-a-long-list-of-bernie-sanders-accomplishments-with-citations/
Here’s A LONG List Of Bernie Sanders’ Accomplishments (WITH CITATIONS)
--according to the Addicting Info website.
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revelette2
 
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Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2016 04:12 pm
Bernie Sanders Can’t Escape Questions About 2007 Vote on Immigration Overhaul

Since he began his campaign for the presidency, Senator Bernie Sanders has sought to build his base of support beyond the overwhelmingly white supporters he has in his home state of Vermont, whose backgrounds hew closely to some voters in the first two voting states, Iowa and New Hampshire. He has met with activists from the Black Lives Matter group and has appeared at a question-and-answer session with the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce.

But Mr. Sanders could face continuing questions about his vote against a comprehensive immigration overhaul bill in 2007, as he did during the first Democratic presidential debate last week. And while he has recently presented that vote in humanitarian terms, his language at the time was starkly economic about guest-worker visas, which were viewed skeptically by organized labor.

“Why should Latino voters trust you now when you left them at the altar at the moment when reform was very close?” Juan Carlos López, a panelist and an anchor on CNN en Español asked in the debate last week about the senator’s vote against that bill.

“I didn’t leave anybody at the altar,” Mr. Sanders replied. “I voted against that piece of legislation because it had guest-worker provisions in it, which the Southern Poverty Law Center talked about being semi-slavery. Guest workers are coming in, they’re working under terrible conditions, but if they stand up for their rights, they’re thrown out of the country. I was not the only progressive to vote against that legislation for that reason. Tom Harkin, a very good friend of Hillary Clinton’s and mine, one of the leading labor advocates, also voted against that.”

He added, “Progressives did vote against that for that reason. My view right now — and always has been — is that when you have 11 million undocumented people in this country, we need comprehensive immigration reform, we need a path toward citizenship, we need to take people out of the shadows.”

But Mr. Sanders was part of an effort by liberal Democrats to kill the bill that year. His language at the time often related not to the concerns of the workers receiving the visas, but to the bill’s impact on American wage-earners. And those words are at odds with how much of the Democratic Party currently discusses immigration overhaul, all but guaranteeing he will continue to be asked to clarify his views.

“What this legislation is not about is addressing the real needs of American workers,” Mr. Sanders said in a speech on the floor of the Senate in 2007. “It is not about raising wages or improving benefits. What it is about is bringing into this country over a period of years millions of low-wage temporary workers with the result that wages and benefits in this country, which are already going down, will go down even further.”

He made a similar comment at another point that year, saying that the bill would “end up lowering wages for American workers right now.” It was, he said at yet another point, a “bad piece of legislation” for laborers.

In 2009, Mr. Sanders co-sponsored an amendment with Senator Charles E. Grassley, the Iowa Republican who has called for an independent investigation into Hillary Rodham Clinton’s email use and was a top critic of the 2013 comprehensive immigration overhaul effort, which would have prohibited, among other things, the banks that received federal bail-out funds and engaged in mass layoffs of workers from hiring workers on guest visas. The 2007 bill failed, though Mrs. Clinton and Joseph R. Biden Jr., then both senators, voted for it.

Six years later, Mr. Sanders again had concerns about a comprehensive immigration bill, in part for the same reason — concern that immigration would keep down wages of American workers. But he voted for it after helping secure a key provision for a $1.5 billion training program for younger workers.

Warren Gunnels, the policy director for Mr. Sanders, insisted that Mr. Sanders’s concerns were multifaceted in 2007. Of the 2009 amendment with Mr. Grassley, which Mr. Gunnels called an example of Mr. Sanders seeking political consensus, the concern was, in large measure, over the roughly 100,000 workers who were laid off as those banks sought roughly 21,000 workers on guest visas. He pointed out that Mr. Sanders had brought attention in the Senate to the exploitation of immigrant workers in fields in Florida, and insisted his concerns have always been humanitarian-based.

“He has always supported a pathway to citizenship,” as well as the Dream Act, Mr. Gunnels said. “Yes, he’s very focused that workers in this country and everybody in this country has the ability to go out and get a decent-paying job.”

But, he added, “if you really study his record,” the support for helping immigrants is established.

An earlier version of this post misstated the year of the amendment Mr. Sanders sought with Mr. Grassley. It was 2009, not 2007.

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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 20 Feb, 2016 05:50 pm
People on a2k keep saying to me, "I know you don't like Clinton -" Which is completely beside the point. Whether or not I like her has nothing to do with it. To them it may be a popularity contest. I don't know. I would vote for a person I do not like if convinced that was the right one for the job. It just isn't her.
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 25 Feb, 2016 08:00 am
@edgarblythe,
Do you think, that Bernie Sanders as a Polish-Ameican will address the Chicago Crowds in Polish to win votes from Chicago's Polish population?
Lash
 
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Reply Thu 25 Feb, 2016 05:06 pm
@Miller,
That would be brilliant!
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