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Dassault Rafales sold at last

 
 
Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2015 11:35 am
Good year for Dassault so far. First the sale of Rafales to Egypt, and now to India. Who's next? Malaysia of UAE?

In the meantime, it seems the Typhoon-Eurofighters are often grounded due to some design flaw or another... That's what the Brits call a 'lemon', right? ;-)

Probably why, unlike the Rafales, you don't see the Typhoons flying over Iraq. There are too dangerous for their own pilots.
 
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2015 12:09 pm
@Olivier5,
Nothing to do with greasing the wheels of commerce at all then?

<cough>backhanders<cough>


The Typhoon link, by the way, is from Sept 2010.
Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2015 12:13 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Ahem.....

http://qz.com/382873/timeline-the-collapse-of-indias-largest-defense-deal/
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2015 12:36 pm
@Lordyaswas,
The Typhoons are frequently grounded. That link was just one example. I can find you more if you want, e.g. the latest flaw was discovered in Germany last October:

http://www.defensenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2014309300045

This whole Eurofighter thing was "designed and built in committee". What do you expect? In contrast, the Rafale is designed and built by one cohesive team. It's by and large the same plane, just better designed and with more capabilities. E.g. it can fly from an aircraft carrier, while the Typhoon cannot... And like every Dassault plane, it's a dependable workhorse designed to be operated and maintained easily. The Typhoon isn't. Cost of operation is what made the difference in the case of India.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2015 12:39 pm
@Lordyaswas,
India confirmed buying 36 Rafales. The MMRCA deal concerning 126 planes is still being discussed, may be cut down a bit. They still want Dassault to sell them the technology to make the plane themselves. Whether they can afford it is another matter. But it is clear that the Indian Air Force needs more than 36 new planes - that purchase was just a stop-gap measure to buy some time.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2015 01:18 pm
@Olivier5,
I am sort of confused as to the objective that you want to achieve with this thread, Olly.

Your opening post was sneering and provocative, and you got a response.
I pointed out that your link was nearly five years old, and that your initial joy at such a large contract may be a bit premature.

Now, apart from trying to pick a fight about which country has the biggest penis, what do you expect from responders on this thread?

If you want some stats demonstrating how France is currently the 'sick man of Europe", you can find tons of current stuff on google.

Or do you just want us to get our patriotic dicks out?

Tssk....you French Canadians are all the same. Cool

Olivier5
 
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Reply Tue 14 Apr, 2015 01:37 pm
@Lordyaswas,
Just trying to piss off a few limeys, that's all... :-)
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oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2015 02:21 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
Who's next? Malaysia of UAE?

I've been telling our old friends on the I/P board that Israel should respond to Mr. Obama's aggression by dropping their commitment to buy 75 F-35 fighters from the US, and buy Dassault Rafales instead.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2015 04:31 pm
@oralloy,
Well, Israel won the 6-day-war in part thanks to the previous Dassault workhorse, the Mirage III, which busted Egyptian Migs out of the sky like they were flies. But now that Egypt has bought the Rafale, it's hard to see how Israel could do so too.
oralloy
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2015 04:42 pm
@Olivier5,
Olivier5 wrote:
But now that Egypt has bought the Rafale, it's hard to see how Israel could do so too.

I don't see why.

Pay cash, get planes.

I doubt the Israeli government is going to rely on the advice of an obscure American posting on an obscure messageboard though, so it's not likely to amount to anything.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 15 Apr, 2015 05:07 pm
@oralloy,
Because Egypt and Israel are neighbours and ex enemies. They could fight a war against each other in the future. Israel would want to keep outgunnng the Egyptians, and only the F22 and F35 can (in theory) beat the Rafale consistently.

'In theory' because the F22 is not for sale, and the F35 is not yet in operation and may never live up to its hype. Still, Israel has no other choice that waiting for the F35, as I see it.
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Olivier5
 
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Reply Fri 1 May, 2015 05:51 am
One for the money, two for the show, three to get ready...


France and Qatar seal $7 bln Rafale fighter jet deal
Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:32am EDT

* Looking to modernise, Qatar to buy 24 jets
* Purchase comes amid instability across Middle East
* Dassault seals third Rafale sale this year

By John Irish and Cyril Altmeyer

PARIS, April 30 (Reuters) - Qatar has agreed to buy 24 Dassault Aviation-built Rafale fighter jets in a 6.3-billion-euro ($7 billion) deal, the French government said on Thursday, as the Gulf Arab state looks to boost its military firepower in an increasingly unstable region.
!'nn
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 11:04 am
Not totally fair since the F-35 was not designed for dog fights, but funny...

Quote:
U.S. Air Force's most sophisticated stealth jet is beaten in dogfight by plane from 1970s... despite being the most expensive weapon in history
By Imogen Calderwood
30 Jun 2015

The F-35 stealth jet has already cost the military more than $350billion
But in a mock battle it was outperformed by an F-16 designed in the 1970s
F-35 test pilot said new plane was too cumbersome to dodge enemy fire
He deemed it totally inappropriate for fighting aircraft within visual range
It’s the most expensive weapon in history but America's F-35 stealth jet has been outperformed by a 40-year-old F-16 jet in a dogfight.

A mock air battle was held over the Pacific Ocean between the cutting-edge F-35 - meant to be the most sophisticated jet ever - and an F-16, which was designed in the 1970s.

But according to the test pilot, the F-35 is still too slow to hit an enemy plane or dodge gunfire. So far it has cost the US military more than $350billion.


So happy we are not part of this mess... The pilots of US, UK, Canada and co. will all be "flying" in this turd 10 yrs from now, at least if they manage to make it fly. In the latest test, the pilot discovered that the helmet was too large to fit well in the cockpit... :-)

Keep spying, anglos. The French can still build good combat aircrafts. That's more than you can say.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 12:35 pm
What's more, you are empty-headed animal food trough wipers! The French fart in your general direction! Your mothers were hamsters and your fathers smelt of elderberries!
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 02:08 pm
@InfraBlue,
That's be the moment when you guys build a wooden rabit...

Come to think of it, maybe the F-35 would fly better if it was made of wood.
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Lordyaswas
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 02:41 pm
@Olivier5,
I ask once again, Olly.

What was the purpose of this thread, apart from showing yourself up as an arrogant, piss taking French Speaking Canuck prick?

Your ancestor's Mother country is not so perfect, you know.

You're making yourself look a bit childish, Monsieur.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 02:59 pm
@Lordyaswas,
What's the purpose of your post, Lordy, other than showing yourself up as a humourless, nervous and defensive prick?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 03:21 pm
@Olivier5,
Poor Canada. We never seem to get equipment right.

Too many kickbacks in the defence department - going back decades. The father of a friend was in procurement. Her mom always had awesome dishes and stuff brought in as gifts by contractors. Her dad and brother always had beautiful suits made by contractors.

Forget about getting the right gear. Buy it from the guy who gives you the most goodies and $
Olivier5
 
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Reply Wed 1 Jul, 2015 03:59 pm
@ehBeth,
All countries have some of that, as you must know. The French are glued to the option of nuclear-powered U-boats and aircraft carriers, which means they cost a fortune to build and nobody knows what to do with them when they are decommissioned.

I'm just glad we got the Rafale right, rather than going through the Eurofighter built-in-committee charade or even worse: the F-35. As a result, we end up with what is arguably the best military aircraft in the world right now, and for quite a few years ahead... Who would have thought?
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oralloy
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2015 12:02 am
@Olivier5,
Quote:
It’s the most expensive weapon in history but America's F-35 stealth jet has been outperformed by a 40-year-old F-16 jet in a dogfight.

There is a ready solution. Resume production of F-22s.

Levy a special tax on the districts of all Congressman who voted to cancel the F-22, so that the rest of the nation does not have to bear the costs of restarting production.

Continue production until we have the originally-intended complement of 750 F-22s.
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