Equal time and Fahrenheit 9/11

Very odd that a theater would turn down a profit maker. It's not as if anyone's going to say, "well, if XYZ theater isn't showing it, I don't want to see it"... and I can't rightly imagine the Carlyle Group being dumb enough to ban it from their theaters (that would be something of an endorsement, no?). On the other hand, why assist someone in slandering your character?... Hmm. It will be interesting to see the final stats on who showed what where and why, won't it?

I could be demographics in that case -- that the theater owners decided the demand would be sparse in those areas. It could be they would reconsider if they thought they were losing money by not showing it. That may change with the expansion of screens. Lion's Gate will be happy as well as IFC. Lion's Gate, incidentally, is based in Vancouver, BC.

I forgot to mention this. After the movie there were people in the aisles handing out little John Kerry flyers too. I'm not sure whether they were with Kerry, or Michael Moore. I wonder if that was done at other theaters showing it.

And the difference is? I think it's safe to say they weren't with Bush! :wink:
I envy them their enthusiasm. I haven't felt that way since Perot.

Moore was on Tavis Smiley and said he snuck into a few theaters to get audience reaction. One theater goer, however, did recognize him and it quickly spread around the theater. Applause interrupted the film.

A testament that his movie is preaching to choir, not converting many though.

How do you come to this conclusion, that it isn't converting many?

Cycloptichorn

Here's an example of the left-leaning crowd that I saw it with. They actually applauded at the beginning of the movie when the Producers' names came up in the opening credits. Pretty funny.

Also funny was that in that overwhelmingly anti-Bush crowd, the one person that was anti-Michael Moore sat right next to my friend. She was by herself, and proceeded to make disgusted noises and snide comments throughout the whole movie, and actually decided that she had to take a couple of phone calls too. What a f*cking selfish idiot.

How do you come to the conclusion, that it is?

It sure seems to me that there are a lot of people out there who can be swayed by arguments that may or may not be logically sound. I mean, look how many people believed that Sadaam and Al Quaeda were connected, or that Iraq was a major threat to us. I don't see why this movie would be any different.

It also seems to me that the film raised a lot of good points that moderates may/may not know about. Sometimes we forget that here on A2K, the posters are some of the best-informed people out there (for civilians), and our challenges of each other's views forces us to come up with evidence and clarity for our arguments.

Statistically speaking, however, MOST people who will see F911 are NOT well informed on the subject. Sometimes a little info (biased or not) is all people need to touch off a greater look into things, which is bad bad bad for the Bush admin.

While I doubt the legions of conservatives out there will even SEE the movie, there are undoubtedly many people who don't know enough about politics one way or the other who WILL have some information they didn't before.

Cycloptichorn

Eventually more may be converted but for now the audiences have been largely already in that corner, by a long shot.

Yeah, but we are dragging our families and friends along with us as well, lol.



When I first read this, I had an sudden image of a liberal Darth Vader speaking to the conservative populace - 'You will convert to the dark side, or face the wrath of the force!'

Cycloptichorn

One of the accepted "truths" about Fahrenheit 9/11, even before it opened, really, was that it wouldn't change any minds.

"Red" voters wouldn't even go see the movie, so the story went, and if they did see it, they would hate it. Gwen Ifill on Meet the Press last Sunday was just one voice repeating this conventional wisdom, not citing any poll numbers or data, but just this myth as truth, as pointed out in the Daily Howler:



That is an understandable assumption.

Mistaken, but understandable.

Polls all say the nation is famously split, and pollsters are saying a surprisingly large percentage of Americans have made up their minds about whether they're voting for Bush or Kerry months ahead of the election. But now that the movie is out, we're getting anecodotal examples of Bush voters and undecided voters seeing it and saying it affected their opinions about the president and/or the war in Iraq (or is at least making them think).

The Orlando Sentinel -- not exactly liberal media in a liberal town -- talked to voters in central Florida who saw the movie, and not surprisingly, both the moviegoers and their opinions (before and after the movie) were varied. Helen Dehner of Altamonte Springs was brought to tears, the Sentinel said. "I went in prepared to disagree with it perhaps," Dehner said. "I need to process a lot of what I just saw. He did make his point, however. I'm a rational being and need to think." Ginny Reynolds, a Republican, said Fahrenheit 9/11 was "a political ploy on Michael Moore's part," but she still went to see it with her husband and her parents. Moore probably didn't change her mind, but Reynolds at least gave him the chance. Garth Weiss has a daughter in the National Guard "who could go to Iraq." The newspaper said Weiss was moved by Moore's interview with Lila Lipscomb, who lost a son in Iraq. Moore "did a great job of bringing it home," Weiss said, and while he hasn't made up his mind whom to vote for in November, "I won't vote for Bush."

Lightwizard, Michael Moore told Tavis Smiley that Fahrenheit 9/11 ranked No. 1 in each state that voted for Bush in the 2000 election.

Perhaps every single one of those moviegoers voted for Al Gore in 2000 -- but probably not. And in an election this close, it won't take too many changed minds to make a difference.

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mikey moore is just a huge liberal fat A$$,dont see the movie its all a lie

Mike Moore is a communist!

Got some details on that, redneck?
Have you seen the film? Any specifics you'd like to comment on, from your viewing of the film?

People like that make me consider changing sides.

Objection, your Honor, counsel for the prosecution's question calls for Mr. Redneck to draw a conclusion, ignoring defendant's diminished capacity . . .

Sustained . . .

Why are they all on my side?


No, wait, don't answer that!

heh heh