1
   

Equal time and Fahrenheit 9/11

 
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 08:30 am
Very odd that a theater would turn down a profit maker. It's not as if anyone's going to say, "well, if XYZ theater isn't showing it, I don't want to see it"... and I can't rightly imagine the Carlyle Group being dumb enough to ban it from their theaters (that would be something of an endorsement, no?). On the other hand, why assist someone in slandering your character?... Hmm. It will be interesting to see the final stats on who showed what where and why, won't it?
0 Replies
 
Lightwizard
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 08:45 am
I could be demographics in that case -- that the theater owners decided the demand would be sparse in those areas. It could be they would reconsider if they thought they were losing money by not showing it. That may change with the expansion of screens. Lion's Gate will be happy as well as IFC. Lion's Gate, incidentally, is based in Vancouver, BC.
0 Replies
 
kickycan
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 11:13 am
I forgot to mention this. After the movie there were people in the aisles handing out little John Kerry flyers too. I'm not sure whether they were with Kerry, or Michael Moore. I wonder if that was done at other theaters showing it.
0 Replies
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 11:25 am
kickycan wrote:
I forgot to mention this. After the movie there were people in the aisles handing out little John Kerry flyers too. I'm not sure whether they were with Kerry, or Michael Moore. I wonder if that was done at other theaters showing it.
Laughing And the difference is? I think it's safe to say they weren't with Bush! :wink:
I envy them their enthusiasm. I haven't felt that way since Perot.
0 Replies
 
Lightwizard
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 12:09 pm
Moore was on Tavis Smiley and said he snuck into a few theaters to get audience reaction. One theater goer, however, did recognize him and it quickly spread around the theater. Applause interrupted the film.
0 Replies
 
Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 01:47 pm
A testament that his movie is preaching to choir, not converting many though.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 01:49 pm
Quote:
A testament that his movie is preaching to choir, not converting many though.


How do you come to this conclusion, that it isn't converting many?

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
kickycan
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 01:54 pm
Here's an example of the left-leaning crowd that I saw it with. They actually applauded at the beginning of the movie when the Producers' names came up in the opening credits. Pretty funny.

Also funny was that in that overwhelmingly anti-Bush crowd, the one person that was anti-Michael Moore sat right next to my friend. She was by herself, and proceeded to make disgusted noises and snide comments throughout the whole movie, and actually decided that she had to take a couple of phone calls too. What a f*cking selfish idiot.
0 Replies
 
Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 01:55 pm
How do you come to the conclusion, that it is?
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 02:08 pm
Quote:
How do you come to the conclusion, that it is?


It sure seems to me that there are a lot of people out there who can be swayed by arguments that may or may not be logically sound. I mean, look how many people believed that Sadaam and Al Quaeda were connected, or that Iraq was a major threat to us. I don't see why this movie would be any different.

It also seems to me that the film raised a lot of good points that moderates may/may not know about. Sometimes we forget that here on A2K, the posters are some of the best-informed people out there (for civilians), and our challenges of each other's views forces us to come up with evidence and clarity for our arguments.

Statistically speaking, however, MOST people who will see F911 are NOT well informed on the subject. Sometimes a little info (biased or not) is all people need to touch off a greater look into things, which is bad bad bad for the Bush admin.

While I doubt the legions of conservatives out there will even SEE the movie, there are undoubtedly many people who don't know enough about politics one way or the other who WILL have some information they didn't before.

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
Brand X
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 02:10 pm
Eventually more may be converted but for now the audiences have been largely already in that corner, by a long shot.
0 Replies
 
Cycloptichorn
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 02:24 pm
Yeah, but we are dragging our families and friends along with us as well, lol.

Quote:
Eventually more may be converted


When I first read this, I had an sudden image of a liberal Darth Vader speaking to the conservative populace - 'You will convert to the dark side, or face the wrath of the force!'

Cycloptichorn
0 Replies
 
PDiddie
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 05:40 pm
One of the accepted "truths" about Fahrenheit 9/11, even before it opened, really, was that it wouldn't change any minds.

"Red" voters wouldn't even go see the movie, so the story went, and if they did see it, they would hate it. Gwen Ifill on Meet the Press last Sunday was just one voice repeating this conventional wisdom, not citing any poll numbers or data, but just this myth as truth, as pointed out in the Daily Howler:

Quote:
"You know what? The truth is, people who made up their minds and don't like President Bush are going to come away still not liking President Bush. People who made up their minds and like President Bush think this movie is terrible -- I mean, lawsuits aside. And people in the middle, I don't know if this is going to change any minds."


That is an understandable assumption.

Mistaken, but understandable.

Polls all say the nation is famously split, and pollsters are saying a surprisingly large percentage of Americans have made up their minds about whether they're voting for Bush or Kerry months ahead of the election. But now that the movie is out, we're getting anecodotal examples of Bush voters and undecided voters seeing it and saying it affected their opinions about the president and/or the war in Iraq (or is at least making them think).

The Orlando Sentinel -- not exactly liberal media in a liberal town -- talked to voters in central Florida who saw the movie, and not surprisingly, both the moviegoers and their opinions (before and after the movie) were varied. Helen Dehner of Altamonte Springs was brought to tears, the Sentinel said. "I went in prepared to disagree with it perhaps," Dehner said. "I need to process a lot of what I just saw. He did make his point, however. I'm a rational being and need to think." Ginny Reynolds, a Republican, said Fahrenheit 9/11 was "a political ploy on Michael Moore's part," but she still went to see it with her husband and her parents. Moore probably didn't change her mind, but Reynolds at least gave him the chance. Garth Weiss has a daughter in the National Guard "who could go to Iraq." The newspaper said Weiss was moved by Moore's interview with Lila Lipscomb, who lost a son in Iraq. Moore "did a great job of bringing it home," Weiss said, and while he hasn't made up his mind whom to vote for in November, "I won't vote for Bush."

Lightwizard, Michael Moore told Tavis Smiley that Fahrenheit 9/11 ranked No. 1 in each state that voted for Bush in the 2000 election.

Perhaps every single one of those moviegoers voted for Al Gore in 2000 -- but probably not. And in an election this close, it won't take too many changed minds to make a difference. Cool
0 Replies
 
klan redneck
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 09:57 pm
9
mikey moore is just a huge liberal fat A$$,dont see the movie its all a lie

Mike Moore is a communist!
0 Replies
 
ehBeth
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 10:19 pm
Got some details on that, redneck?
Have you seen the film? Any specifics you'd like to comment on, from your viewing of the film?
0 Replies
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 10:30 pm
People like that make me consider changing sides. Rolling Eyes
0 Replies
 
Setanta
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 10:32 pm
Objection, your Honor, counsel for the prosecution's question calls for Mr. Redneck to draw a conclusion, ignoring defendant's diminished capacity . . .

Sustained . . .
0 Replies
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 10:38 pm
Laughing Laughing Laughing
0 Replies
 
OCCOM BILL
 
  1  
Reply Wed 30 Jun, 2004 10:39 pm
Why are they all on my side?


No, wait, don't answer that!
0 Replies
 
the reincarnation of suzy
 
  1  
Reply Thu 1 Jul, 2004 05:43 am
heh heh Twisted Evil
0 Replies
 
 

Related Topics

Obama '08? - Discussion by sozobe
Let's get rid of the Electoral College - Discussion by Robert Gentel
McCain's VP: - Discussion by Cycloptichorn
Food Stamp Turkeys - Discussion by H2O MAN
The 2008 Democrat Convention - Discussion by Lash
McCain is blowing his election chances. - Discussion by McGentrix
Snowdon is a dummy - Discussion by cicerone imposter
GAFFNEY: Whose side is Obama on? - Discussion by gungasnake
 
Copyright © 2021 MadLab, LLC :: Terms of Service :: Privacy Policy :: Page generated in 0.03 seconds on 12/02/2021 at 04:00:31