Right they do.
Mr stillwater, excellent point.
So are the bacteria attacking us, or are we inviting them in because we want everything quick + easy?
We gave them the opportunity to develop immunity fast and on a massive scale.
They always attack us, if they can. It is what they do - if they can live on/in us.
dlowan wrote:We gave them the opportunity to develop immunity fast and on a massive scale. They always attack us, if they can. It is what they do - if they can live on/in us.
And here we finish the lecture on 'The Rabbit in Australia: Hell opened and something furry popped out".
You'll hafta do better than that if you wanna be called "deep" Pondscum.
Phoenix32890 wrote:Quote:Phoenix, before your husband got that infection, had he taken many antibiotics in his life?
L.R.R.Hood - Yes he had. Over the years he has suffered from many serious sinus infections, and had been given antibiotics for them.
Oh those darn sinus infections! My husband had to have septum surgery for that to get those infections to stop. He knew he couldn't just keep taking the antibiotics.
L.R.R.Hood- For my husband, the septum operation was only the beginning. He has had about 4 operations on his sinuses subsequently!
Is it allergies? And if so, have you considered moving to an area where he doesn't have allergy problems?
I am not so sure that any one individual's taking of antibiotics affect his or her own chances of having a bacteria that then won't respond to antibiotics.
I guess it can happen for the one person who has the mutation for resistance happen in his body, but often the bacteria are already resistant.
I think it is the mass of folks, and I agree, animals too, that are taking great quantities of an antibio that affect the mutation of a given bacteria into a one that will be unresponsive to whatever is the current best antibio for those bacteria. Not that the antibiotics cause the mutation, as mutation just happens, I think it is at a general rate of 1 in a 1,000,000, but when one of those mutations happens at a genetic location that lets one bacteria not be responsive, then that bacteria lives long enough to reproduce its strong, uh, progeny. With that happening enough, other people then get infected by the unresponsive-to-current-antibio bacteria.
Plus, I hear a lot that not taking one's full dose of antibiotic, once you are taking them, enough to do the job, say over fourteen days, will promote this kind of situation as well, and a lot of people don't stay the course of treatment. So, again, with masses of people doing that, there is increased chance of one mutation somewhere working out for bacterial survival.
Quote:The main culprit may be the over-use of antibiotics in the production of meat animals. This is estimated to be 70% of ALL antibiotic use and runs up to millions of kilograms each year. The net result is the exposure of micro-organisms to substances that only encourage them to develop resistance.
Yes. I feel like I'm repeating myself, but I've talked to a veterinarian and neurologist from Sweden who is utterly horrified at the use of antibiotics in the dairy industry (we're in a dairy state). Farmers can get antibiotics without prescription or education.
"Farmers can get antibiotics without prescription or education." What??? That's obscene!
Wow.
having been a small farmer/racher most of my life I have always been able to buy antibiotics at the local ranch supply store.
Dys, what do you think about that?
And did you use them for sick animals, or on a regular basis as prevention?
How are there not some regulations about that?
(as if I really need to ask!)
no regs that I know of- I mostly used then for new born calves with scours
In dairy, an infected quarter means lost production, so there is a strong financial incentive to administer antibiotics rather than wait for it to clear up on its own.
I know, I do understand that, but why not just take the sick cows out of production for a while? maybe there would be a financial loss, but what are our priorities? National health or an extra few gallons of what some would consider tainted milk? Dairy is already subsidized and there are price controls on milk, aren't there? And don't we have cheese up the ying-yang in storage?
I realize it's a complicated issue but one that I think needs to be readdressed.
Quote:I know, I do understand that, but why not just take the sick cows out of production for a while?
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Quote:maybe there would be a financial loss, but what are our priorities?
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Quote:Dairy is already subsidized and there are price controls on milk, aren't there?
Yup. But that doesn't make up to the individual farmer for lost production.
Quote:And don't we have cheese up the ying-yang in storage?
If all milk production stopped today, the gov't has enough powdered milk to maintain current consumption levels for two and a half years.
Again, I think our own need for the quick fix (and $) will be our ultimate doom.
Another example is energy. We should be spending now to find alternative, renewable sources.
Instead we'll wait til the boiling point.
My sister sent me this, figured I'd post it here as an interesting FYI, for what it's worth:
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Sore Throat?? Just mix 1/4 cup of vinegar with 1/4 cup of honey and take 1 TBSP six times a day.. The vinegar kills the bacteria.
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(Don't know which if any are true!)
the reincarnation of suzy wrote:I know, I do understand that, but why not just take the sick cows out of production for a while? maybe there would be a financial loss, but what are our priorities? National health or an extra few gallons of what some would consider tainted milk? Dairy is already subsidized and there are price controls on milk, aren't there? And don't we have cheese up the ying-yang in storage? I realize it's a complicated issue but one that I think needs to be readdressed.
They aren't given to make sick animals better. They are given in order to boost growth rates and act as a prophalactic (to prevent diseases) - the rationale being that the animals are 'table-ready' earlier.
A general Google search of the terms 'antibiotic' and 'livestock' will get you some relevent information. Here's one to begin with:
USDA paper
